Extracting 2 sorces in 1 prospection

[blogie]

How do i do that?

Can ennyboddy explain it to me plz?

[borg9]

How do i do that?

Can ennyboddy explain it to me plz?

Prospect +3 sources (4 spots will apear)

you should have enough time to start digging a second source after you have completed the first one. Remember to take the mats you have dug from the first source, before you start the second or you will lose them.

[blogie]

Prospect +3 sources (4 spots will apear)

you should have enough time to start digging a second source after you have completed the first one. Remember to take the mats you have dug from the first source, before you start the second or you will lose them.

Hemm seams i run out of time and focus. Maby its best to stop diggin whan you have 5 mats en w8 till time is up then start and digg the second spot till time is up.

I'm a lvl 105 desert forager so dont knowe if its maby my level but i have all the focus i can get at my level. Maby i soulf buy some good focus armor.

[borg9]

Hemm seams i run out of time and focus. Maby its best to stop diggin whan you have 5 mats en w8 till time is up then start and digg the second spot till time is up.

I'm a lvl 105 desert forager so dont knowe if its maby my level but i have all the focus i can get at my level. Maby i soulf buy some good focus armor.


Step by step explaination....

Stand at a mat spot.
Prospect with a prospect stanza that includes the +3 sources.

After you have prospected ... 4 green sources should appear.
select one of them and dig it.
when you have finished digging it.
Take the materials pulled.
The three other spot should still be visible.
select a new one and dig it.
when you have finished digging it.
Take the materials pulled.

Possible reason for not having time to dig a second source....

you are using +bonus time in you prospect, that is too long.


For the best results when digging .... the source time should run out just after you run out of focus.

When you have completed you first extraction you focus will regen automatically, so when you start you second dig you should be on full (almost full) focus.

[blogie]

Step by step explaination....

Stand at a mat spot.
Prospect with a prospect stanza that includes the +3 sources.

After you have prospected ... 4 green sources should appear.
select one of them and dig it.
when you have finished digging it.
Take the materials pulled.
The three other spot should still be visible.
select a new one and dig it.
when you have finished digging it.
Take the materials pulled.

Possible reason for not having time to dig a second source....


you are using +bonus time in you prospect, that is too long.


For the best results when digging .... the source time should run out just after you run out of focus.

When you have completed you first extraction you focus will regen automatically, so when you start you second dig you should be on full (almost full) focus.

Sorry i'm a bit slow from time to time so now i get it i will remove my + time stansa and see what happens :)

[baldio]

I would not remove the +time stanza, as they give You an extra mat (or two)...

And BTW:
I use a +15s time-stanza (lvl120 forager) and have plenty of time to dig two spots. Normally the 3rd (and 4th, 5th..) spot disappears while I am digging my 2nd one. If I (for any reason) let one spot exhaust before time is over, I am very often able to begin digging a 3rd spot, before the rest disappears.

[blogie]

I would not remove the +time stanza, as they give You an extra mat (or two)...

And BTW:
I use a +15s time-stanza (lvl120 forager) and have plenty of time to dig two spots. Normally the 3rd (and 4th, 5th..) spot disappears while I am digging my 2nd one. If I (for any reason) let one spot exhaust before time is over, I am very often able to begin digging a 3rd spot, before the rest disappears.

I wonder what stansa influences the time bar on yor node? Is it aggresive rate? gentel rate? somting else?

Maby i mist somting

Its kinde of funny in the biginning the bar run out to fast now its to long. I dont knowe whitsh stansa influences the time bar in a node/sorce.

I think i will solve my problem when i finde out what that is.

[usinuk]

I use +time stanzas all the time and that's never really been an issue with multiple prospecting. Finish digging selected node, instaregen, choose your next available node.

Only thing I have noticed is certain lands can require different multiple sources. Lake, for instance, seems to require only 3 sources to give me enough time to do 2. Forest/PR needs 4 for time enough to do 2. I should probably test this in Fyros and Zorai too.

[baldio]

well... the time bar is influenced only by? -> time

hmmm.. I think I did not get Your question?!

Time lets the first (the timelife bar) collaps - and every stanza, that gives You extra seconds extends this bar (You notice this stanza's start, when the color of the first bar changes from white to red).

The length of the white portion of the 1st bar is dependant on the number of sources and the terrain specialization. Therefore I suggest, You use all (maximum Sources, terrain specialization and extra lifetime) stanzas to get the most out of Your spots.

[Eshin]

The length of the white portion of the 1st bar is dependant on the number of sources and the terrain specialization.
The white bar isn't dependent on the amount of sources you prospect. It just makes the sources stay there longer, but no extra time for your separate extraction processes. Bonus time stanzas and terrain specs do.


Forest/PR needs 4 for time enough to do 2. I should probably test this in Fyros and Zorai too.
Don't know about that forest thing, but PR source times seem to be different yes. Not quite sure that is it the prime root terrain specialization stanza in your prospect that makes the difference, as I'm having somewhat less time in the forest ecosystem for example, even with the appropriate spec there (my logic: pr stanza is after lvl 150, the rest lvl 50).

[baldio]

The white bar isn't dependent on the amount of sources you prospect. It just makes the sources stay there longer, but no extra time for your separate extraction processes. Bonus time stanzas and terrain specs do.[..]
You are absolutely right :)

My mistake - I was thinking of anything, but not the letters I was typing...

[borg9]

You are absolutely right :)

My mistake - I was thinking of anything, but not the letters I was typing...

Are you 100% sure of this .... can you explain why you can't dig more mats of ql50 when compared to ql100, using exactly the same prospect and extraction plan (just changing the extract ql stanza) ?

ql50 uses less focus than ql100 .... so why can't you dig more mats?

[blogie]

So in sum you must have prospect multipel sorces 3.

Use the same setting as you would digg a normal spot (with all time, q and other bonuses)

Or ar there enny other tips that would you guys can give to get the best out of a pull.

[borg9]

So in sum you must have prospect multipel sorces 3.

Use the same setting as you would digg a normal spot (with all time, q and other bonuses)

Or ar there enny other tips that would you guys can give to get the best out of a pull.


My biggest tip .... and it applies to fighting/magic/crafting and Harvesting....

Is experimentation!

Just because it worked at lvl 20 doesn't mean its the right thing to do at level 60 ... what ever the skill!

With harvesting you have so many tools at your disposal....

Terrain specs
Material specs
Gentle and aggressive rates and speeds.

Experiment with them, just becuase its a faster rate .... doesn't automatically mean that its the best rate!

I am lvl 167 lake harvest..... I still use my gentle ql170 (aggressive ql170 with carer) ... even though I can use aggressive ql180!

Why, becuase ql180 is not stable the mats extracted range from ql150-ql180 .... this is a pain for 2 reasons, stacking and XP.

There is no perfect set-up that works for every level of character, look at the skills you have and use them in all the combinations till you find the one that gives the best results for you current level.

I have been told that with 3k focus @ lvl 160 , using full aggressive I should be able to pull 20/22 mats ...... I have yet to do this, my play style must be different to the person that can do this. we probably have the exact same skills but we are set-up differently.

[blogie]

I gues you ar right. I just askt becos i'm not sure i'm diggin the right way. I'm lvl 105 desert, 60 jungel, 65pr forager with all gentel settings 1.5 time and carplans2 Prospect coise, knowledge,2 sorce prospect and somtimes only linege up to exelent. I dig 7 mats for a q of 110 for around 1k focus (i have 1.7k). and have yet to finde somboddy to tray to teamup with. To see if it makes a difference. I team with harvesters to care 4 there sorce but i never knowe or am abel to test extraction 4 myself.

[jtgrizom]

I used the two spots prospection for a long time; it gave me the ability to choose which source/material I wanted to harvest.
But with 2 sources I was never able to finish the first and then go to the second. The second would disapear just before the first was done.

Then I went and bought prospection for 3 and 4 spots.
From that moment on I can extract from the first source and then go to the second.

This is strange and I'm not 100% sure if I didn't buy a "more source life" stanza in between and forgot to use it until I got the ones for extra spots. But anyway, extra spots is great.

[blogie]

my point

This trad can be usefull and now it explains ppl how to do it :)

[baldio]

Are you 100% sure of this .... can you explain why you can't dig more mats of ql50 when compared to ql100, using exactly the same prospect and extraction plan (just changing the extract ql stanza) ?

ql50 uses less focus than ql100 .... so why can't you dig more mats?
The number of mat pieces You get, is primarily related to the rate. So if Your rate is 1.5 You get that 1.5x basic mats per time unit. Here it does not matter, if You extract Q50 or Q100. In the end, You will have more focus left, when You reach the timeline short before extraction time is over.
So e.g:
if extracting Q50 at a rate of 1.5 gives You 10 mats per spot (Q50) then extracting this spot with Q100 gives You 10 mats (Q100) in the same time. But You used 500 focus at Q50 and 750 focus at Q100.

note: this example is fictive, just to show You how the variables have to be read

[blogie]

I just want to Thank you guys 4 helping. Now i digg 2x as fast. i extract 8 mats a spot and can digg 2 spots per prospection. this means 16 mats. I dont knowe the time it takes to fill up my bag as i dident have menny time yesterday eavening. But boy it gows fast. crafting and foraging is now less of a grinde cos i can fill up my bag and craft faster.

[borg9]

I just want to Thank you guys 4 helping. Now i digg 2x as fast. i extract 8 mats a spot and can digg 2 spots per prospection. this means 16 mats. I dont knowe the time it takes to fill up my bag as i dident have menny time yesterday eavening. But boy it gows fast. crafting and foraging is now less of a grinde cos i can fill up my bag and craft faster.

*Bows*

My job is done :D

And it only gets better and better ... fast rates and speeds as you level will get you more and more mats :D

Remember as you level ... keep experimenting .....

Aim for the following:

Have zero focus when the source time runs out ... that way you are close to maximum effeciency!

A harvester with a full bag of mats is a happy harvester :D

[usinuk]

if You extract Q50 or Q100. In the end, You will have more focus left, when You reach the timeline short before extraction time is over....
if extracting Q50 at a rate of 1.5 gives You 10 mats per spot (Q50) then extracting this spot with Q100 gives You 10 mats (Q100) in the same time. But You used 500 focus at Q50 and 750 focus at Q100.

Errr, actually, no.

Turns out that every q10 increment gives you the potential of .5 mats more with the exact same rate/time/speed stanzas. So...Q100 gentle gives you 2.5 mats more per pull than does q50 gentle. The only problem is that the only real application of this is when you're level 110 in a skill and need to harvest q50 mats in that land. If you try this in a land in which you are more than -10 below the stanza you're using, your drop and failure rate will more than eat the increased rate.

So it is better to harvest with higher q stanzas if you can afford the focus. There was a thread on this a while back...I posted comparable numbers there.

[jtgrizom]

I did a little test to see how the number of spots prospected afected the duration of the sources.

1 source -> 20 s
2 sources -> 40 s
3 sources -> 60 s
4 sources -> 80 s
5 sources -> 100 s

I'm sure you get the idea. 8-)
This is why when prospecting for 4 spots you can dig two of them.

The duration wasn't affected by the credit used, "bonus extraction time", knowledge, accelerated prospection, better materials or terrain specialization.

[vin99]

im lvl 90 in desert dig

i dig out 8 mats per source and 2 sources per prospect
thats 16 mats sometimes 14/15

heres my setup:
http://vin99.net/ravens/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3849#3849

i hope it helps :)

[maroo]

Well some more tips then:

If you're lvl 150 in an area and you dig somewhere else, use the following:
I take my example for PR:

Make a q60 gentle, max aggro rate, max gentle speed
Make a q150 gentle, max aggro rate, max gentle speed.

Make a "large" prospect (60 meters, angle 120, 4 spots) to track sources
Make a "nearby" prospect (angle 40, range 5, 6 spots)

First I do a large prospect to know where the mats are. Then I do a nearby prospect there so 6 spots appear at my feet.

I immediatly start digging with q60 until I reach q60 (halfway the extraction time) and then switch to q150. Ofcourse you get some fails, but I tend to reach q85-q95 which results in 12 mats and 2800 exp!!!!!

I immediatly take the next spot and thereafter the next. So I dig 3 times per prospect for 36 mats total and 8400 exp. (you have to experiment a little with the extraction time).

After these digs I use a 200 focus selfheal to be full focus again and I go again (and your selfheal will be back after the next 3 digs). This makes you a digging mad experience machine :D

If you dig q150 in your own area do the following:

Prospect the same as above (use NO BONUS TIME) and see how you dig 3 times per prospect and pulling 12 mats with caring included (I never have explosions) time 3 of q150. Now that fills up a bag quick. You can normally do this twice on a spot for a quick 72 mats at 1 spot.

I can't seem to make it work for q160 though :-(

[Eshin]

I immediatly take the next spot and thereafter the next. So I dig 3 times per prospect for 36 mats total and 8400 exp. (you have to experiment a little with the extraction time).
Solid advice, except that extracting 3 sources per prospect with 6 resource spots in prime roots is impossible (since prime roots deposits have different overall time compared to surface ones).

With 8 resource spots per prospect (and that's at level 200), and having no times bonuses, it's possible. Tried with 6 resource spots, with no time bonuses and no terrain spec which doesn't even affect the time, but it's impossible. The third source dies during the last moments of the second extraction and there's no way you can get the third. Tried this with clustered sources so I didn't even have to move to get the next spot.

[predzz]

Have u compared using same QL stanzas, since the higher ql u prospect the longer the source will last

BTW: the only real way to find out which method is best is comparing using times. For example a lvl 200 harvester would get around 500 mats per hour. Saying how much you get per source, prospect, etc is just too abstract, someone who gets little per source & prospect could overall still get more mats or xp than someone else because of a higher frequency...

[maroo]

@Eshin: I really do get 3 sources, but remember I am low-level PR-harvest. I don't know if it's the best setup for #mats, but it seems a great setup for levelling.

Else you can try by letting die the first or second source premature by only caring with stability in between.

[Eshin]

Have u compared using same QL stanzas, since the higher ql u prospect the longer the source will last.
Tried prospect choice only, excellent only and gave up testing supreme for obvious reasons. Same result: the third source dies during the second extraction, and didn't notice any difference in the source time while testing excellent and choice (the third source dies exactly at the same time, no matter how choice or excellent it is)

I'll take that you meant the grades, since I fail to understand how one prospects certain quality levels ;)


I really do get 3 sources, but remember I am low-level PR-harvest. I don't know if it's the best setup for #mats, but it seems a great setup for levelling.

Else you can try by letting die the first or second source premature by only caring with stability in between.
Interesting. Only possible conclusion I have that you have more source time when you level up. Sounds far-fetched, but how else one could explain this?

Only thing I haven't tried is to extract with that setup in lower than q250 areas, as this was tested in q250 area. That might have an effect or not, but the fact at the moment is that I can't get the three with 6 resource spots. (and letting it die prematurely isn't an option, granted)

[predzz]

i meant the higher ql you extract ofcourse. the longer ur busy digging the less time u got to get more sources.
I always use source time 0 and with max amount of multiple sources (8). I usually get 3 sources before they dissapear

[blogie]

i'm a lil newbie desert forager of level 120 and i get the 16 mats a prospect and have 0 downtime.

Thanks to Neun i can craft faster and level like mad.

The only thing what pussels me is the fail's i get when i digg in zora. I have terain spec jungel and can digg q 120 but it seams i get a lot of failiors in the sys info.

I will try the other method of digg q60 agresive rate gentel speed and switsh when i have q 60 to q120 i hope i get the same resolts as he gets in pr.

I nead the extra xp to boost range and angel its now at 20m and 60°s

[borg9]

i'm a lil newbie desert forager of level 120 and i get the 16 mats a prospect and have 0 downtime.

Thanks to Neun i can craft faster and level like mad.

The only thing what pussels me is the fail's i get when i digg in zora. I have terain spec jungel and can digg q 120 but it seams i get a lot of failiors in the sys info.

I will try the other method of digg q60 agresive rate gentel speed and switsh when i have q 60 to q120 i hope i get the same resolts as he gets in pr.

I nead the extra xp to boost range and angel its now at 20m and 60°s

The max I have ever seen stable is +30ql over your level on in a different terrain.

How you get that is up to you to find out .... don't want to take the fun away from you.

your terrain lvl (lake harvester, digging in the desert for example)

lvl+ql10 = normal no trouble
lvl+ql20 = very possible you will end up with mix ql mats which I hate.
lvl+ql30 = possible, alot more mixed ql mats

I am sticking with lake atm .... I am working on getting the Rites Generic plans ... which will give me the motivation to dig in other lands.

The PR has lost its appeal for me atm ... everyone seems to be going there and I guess I will be left behind :P But I do like the sun :D

[1mage]

nvm ...

[maroo]

Only thing I haven't tried is to extract with that setup in lower than q250 areas, as this was tested in q250 area. That might have an effect or not, but the fact at the moment is that I can't get the three with 6 resource spots. (and letting it die prematurely isn't an option, granted)

I think there is the answer as I am digging in Trench of Trials (which is q200 area) and there get these results.

[jacko23]

thx for the information !!! :D

[paladine]

yo there !


and cya :D

[magick1]

Later on you can extract 4 sources with one prospect. :)

Also note that sources can last longer when team harvesting. So a setup for two extracts, can become 3 extracts.

[vutescu]

This is how i'm doing and worked fine til now.

"Basic" prospect:
Source time 5s
Multispot 4 spots
Better mats - only choice
Knowledge 1
Terrain spec - desert
Angle 60 degrees
Range 10m

"Basic" extract:
Gentle speed 2
Harmfull rate 3
Gentle quality (q100)
Terrain spec - desert

I dont use mat spec coz I usually have a careplanner with me (around lev 30 he/she gets about 1500 xp). This person have also a share from the mats I harvest.
I usually get 7 mats/harvest, time to harvest 2 sources so at bottom line i get 14 mats / prospect. Even teaming with a careplanner i still get around 800 xp / harvest at lev 96 desert forage.
Hope this will help.

PS I might forgot some actions, I will check them when I arrive home (I'm at work now) and is so I will add later.

[alyssah]

Another useful tip is to manipulate your screen so that the take all button is over the next source you want to harvest. Then all you do is click 'take all' 3 times & you are off & running without fiddling with direction & ql. If you are using the 2 stage method you can change to the lower ql en route or as you start to dig.
I use 6 spot prospect with the lowest time setting and can get 9 or 10 mats from 3 spots. I have only found out that using more prospect spots increased source time and feel a bit of a nerd for just realising it.
I am q130 forest & q170 desert forager.
Alyssah
Matis Clan Omnis
Yrks

[joeburns]

There's one thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread; wearing focus bonus gear. It can make a great deal of difference in how long you can forage before having to self-heal or just sit down and rest.

After hearing all this advice, I'm thinking of reviving my old character and trying some of it out (170ish desert forage, 60-70 forest and PR) Some of this stuff is new to me *hehehe*

[naratuul]

There's one thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread; wearing focus bonus gear. It can make a great deal of difference in how long you can forage before having to self-heal or just sit down and rest.

After hearing all this advice, I'm thinking of reviving my old character and trying some of it out (170ish desert forage, 60-70 forest and PR) Some of this stuff is new to me *hehehe*

Yep focus gear is a mustat higher levels of foraging.

Most of this thread is pretty outdated but the general stuff still applies. I haven't tried the two stage dig enough to comment on how well it works. But I do know that i can extract 57 mats per prospect in the jungle using Speed 3 gentle, Rate 6 harmful and quality 70 gentle.

Thats with 8 spots and no source time. Adding source time lowers the overall quantity of mats I extract because although i get plenty of mats i miss my third spot.