Some observations about Ryzom

[troll16]

Firstly, I have been playing Ryzom since the 08.10.04 and there has been a number of changes some good some bad during this time. I usually play for at least 8 hours a day sometimes as much as 16 hours. My actual amount of time playing computer games can be gauged in years.

The world of Atys in graphical terms and the layout of the world is very good. The mobs from a distance look a bit strange but up close they look good and the way they move is also good. So I won't fault this part of the game.

The in-game support is also very good, the support team in general are quick to respond and are usually very helpful.

Some of the events usually seem to have some problems but personally I don't worry about that too much as they are temporary additions to the normal game-play.

Now for the not so good points and the reasons I have left.

The different areas are too level sensitive, some areas are not worth doing anything in anymore as there is no gain in doing anything in them. Harder areas are accessible but the easier areas may as well not be.

The game always had a large element of levelling but as you get higher it takes a lot of time to level (over a hour digging for example) which, is less like fun and more like work. And most of the time it's just levelling for the sake of levelling.

There is no real difference between the races or weapons of the same type except in what they look like. All races can do the same skills except for craft but then all crafted 2h swords (same quality) are the same as far as their statistics go. So eventually all races and characters will be come similar as far as what they can do.

Since the introduction of patch 2 I have noticed that guilds have in general become more insular. When in mixed teams these days it's sorry got to go my guild needs me. Most chat is now done in guild, teams or /tells. The region chat is hardly ever used accept by a few new people in Matis and the most common thing I have seen in region is 'res plz'.

Some people have asked would I come back, the answer is probably no. This is because I think it will take more than 6 months for Nevrax to improve things and I believe they have a policy of deleting accounts after they have not been active for 6 months. And I have no wish to start a new character with the time needed to develop them.

You may ask why did I post this here, mainly because it can be read by anyone and I am sure Nevrax will read it as well, they probably will not respond to it but I'm sure they will read it.

Well my account runs out on the 15th so I will look at the forums occassionally until then but I am now no longer playing in-game.

I will miss the world of Atys and some of it's characters but there is a time when you have to move on.

[dakhound]

Firstly, I have been playing Ryzom since the 08.10.04 and there has been a number of changes some good some bad during this time. I usually play for at least 8 hours a day sometimes as much as 16 hours. My actual amount of time playing computer games can be gauged in years.

The world of Atys in graphical terms and the layout of the world is very good. The mobs from a distance look a bit strange but up close they look good and the way they move is also good. So I won't fault this part of the game.

The in-game support is also very good, the support team in general are quick to respond and are usually very helpful.

Some of the events usually seem to have some problems but personally I don't worry about that too much as they are temporary additions to the normal game-play.

Now for the not so good points and the reasons I have left.

The different areas are too level sensitive, some areas are not worth doing anything in anymore as there is no gain in doing anything in them. Harder areas are accessible but the easier areas may as well not be.

The game always had a large element of levelling but as you get higher it takes a lot of time to level (over a hour digging for example) which, is less like fun and more like work. And most of the time it's just levelling for the sake of levelling.

There is no real difference between the races or weapons of the same type except in what they look like. All races can do the same skills except for craft but then all crafted 2h swords (same quality) are the same as far as their statistics go. So eventually all races and characters will be come similar as far as what they can do.

Since the introduction of patch 2 I have noticed that guilds have in general become more insular. When in mixed teams these days it's sorry got to go my guild needs me. Most chat is now done in guild, teams or /tells. The region chat is hardly ever used accept by a few new people in Matis and the most common thing I have seen in region is 'res plz'.

Some people have asked would I come back, the answer is probably no. This is because I think it will take more than 6 months for Nevrax to improve things and I believe they have a policy of deleting accounts after they have not been active for 6 months. And I have no wish to start a new character with the time needed to develop them.

You may ask why did I post this here, mainly because it can be read by anyone and I am sure Nevrax will read it as well, they probably will not respond to it but I'm sure they will read it.

Well my account runs out on the 15th so I will look at the forums occassionally until then but I am now no longer playing in-game.

I will miss the world of Atys and some of it's characters but there is a time when you have to move on.


wont argue with you at all, you know the flaws of this game well and I admit some people will run out of patience before the game becomes what its supposed to be.

good luck in the future whatever you decide to play

[hans1976]

The one standard reply no-one ever seems to make:
Can I have your stuff? ;-)

Never had the chance to meet you and as a game get boring for you, you move on to either a new char or a new game. That is the way it goes.

Grtz,

[troll16]

The one standard reply no-one ever seems to make:
Can I have your stuff? ;-)

Never had the chance to meet you and as a game get boring for you, you move on to either a new char or a new game. That is the way it goes.

Grtz,


A new character would not improve game-play issues.

[dazman76]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo Shadowblade :(

Of all the people I expected to stay, you were at the top of the list. This is a very sad day for me indeed, as we've chatted and foraged together on many occasions :(

I totally agree that guilds are becoming insular, and also stagnated to a degree, and that doesn't bode well for future relations on Atys.

I wish you the best of luck with whatever you go on to do, and hope that someday I will see and speak to you again.

Farewell Shadowblade, and take care....

/bow shadowblade

[gillest]

/bow shadowblade.

Sad to see you leave shadow.
I tend to agree with you but I do love this game and the players: most of them as you always been yourself are truly nice, respectfull and helpful.

Wish you best of luck in the seek of the perfect game ;)

[mboeing]

Some stay some go some come, thats the way of all MMO's I have played so far. Everyone eventually gets tired of a game and moves on. Its always a matter of preferences and patience how long you will stay in the game.

As history teaches me the people returning to a game they played before are very rare.

Good luck in your next game, we might meet there again sooner or later.

[sx4rlet]

Ooohhh...

Shadowblade too!
Sad to see you leave too, Shadow!

Hope to meet you in another game sometimes!

Sxarlet

[neo982]

well i already left this game for soemtime now :) but still liek to come back to reading all post (all good new and bad new all about what ppl will say ) and i like most of it about what shadowblade said .. *i have never meet him in game but maybe i runign pass him sometime just cant remember :) * only afew ppl on this post i kind know *well good luck to your shadowblade

time for me to move on to got so many thing to do and looking for new game to play wish you all whoever still playing SOR have lot of fun :D

bow/ to shadowblade. :)



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Jacky :D

[a02chrha]

I will be staying for quite a while more. Why is this? I am currently playing wow by the side just for getting the feel of it etc.

<personal, spontaneous feelings>
Ive ben playing 2 orc hunter chars in the WoW world now on NA and EU beta, NA to lvl 23 and the current to lvl 36. Now, when I play wow; I have two times now done the same quests rushed up to past 20. Now, Im kinda fed up on doing theese solo quests all the time, it doesnt even feel like a mmorpg if it weren for the occational pvpers that sneak around. wow is more like a small hosted LAN game for the low lvl quest parts. (almost feels like never winter nights etc) What however I guess will save it is the high end pvp game and raid groups.. But I doubt Ill be motivated to rush there a 3rd time in european retail to reach lvl 60. Yes, the quests are fun.. first week, then it feels like you are on an escalator doing those missions solo (except instance dungeons, where you need to team).

This is what will make me fed up with wow soon. And this is also why I will return to Ryzom, Ryzom doesnt have theese escalators, it is ofcourse two sides of the same coin. Some prefer quests that pulls you through the game to max lvl, some prefer the "open ends" like are provided in ryzom. In ryzom I feel its more up to us to make something cool and interesting, wich make me feel motivated more than stepping into some pre-arranged line you shall follow to max lvl. This can look like ryzoms "grind" vs. WoW´s questing. I guess thats a nice comparrison. I can only speak of what feelings I have for it and what I preferr. The freedom and "open-ness" of Ryzom is what keeps me here. Now of course I think the high lvl players from beta now are faced with terrible endurance tests for outposts and working rites.. when all is maxed there need to be something that activates you and make you stay I guess. (like pvp lands, outposts, extended guild features like more rooms to guild hall.....)

Features like this will come.. its a matter of time and how long the players can hold their breath.. Ive bought oxygen tanks ;)


Anyway, just felt like venting some thoughts...

[sprite]

Features like this will come.. its a matter of time and how long the players can hold their breath.. Ive bought oxygen tanks ;)

And of course some people think that Nevrax will stay true to their "new major update every x months" promise given in early devchats (these updates are bigger than normal "Chapters") and so are expecting new lands/races/skill trees in as little as 45 days :p

[troll16]

And of course some people think that Nevrax will stay true to their "new major update every x months" promise given in early devchats (these updates are bigger than normal "Chapters") and so are expecting new lands/races/skill trees in as little as 45 days :p




Personally, I do not expect to see anything quickly from a company that produces software as programming is not an easy task, especially when dealing with complex programs.

[troll16]

In general I quite like the game and most of the people I have met within the game. But when harvesting then crafting, harvesting then crafting for 14 hours in a day (whilst in a harvesting and crafting cycle I would find myself falling asleep, usually waking up just as an explosion happened or about to be hit by gas) or in a hunting party killing the same mobs over and over again then the game generally becomes less fun and more a test of endurance.

Now where the real fun comes into Ryzom is when making trips in groups between one country and another as well as the events which can also be fun.

Before patch 1 the crafting missions were good and the other missions were better than they are now, with higher payouts. Crafting missions have not been worth doing since patch 1 (maybe the encyclopidia missions will change this).

The game was in my opinion released too early and I think patch 1 was a good indication of this as all the characters skill levels had to be reset. But like most software it hits the market before it is complete.

I have been looking at DnL forums and it appears they also have a grinding system so that too could be a matter of endurance, i'll have to wait and see. But it seems to me that online games are designed to be games of endurance.
I hope i'm wrong on this point.

[ozric]

The game was in my opinion released too early and I think patch 1 was a good indication of this as all the characters skill levels had to be reset. But like most software it hits the market before it is complete.

Actually, it was just the skill points that were reset, for a couple of reasons. The levels stayed exactly the same.

[troll16]

Actually, it was just the skill points that were reset, for a couple of reasons. The levels stayed exactly the same.


Thanks for pointing out the error, I know you are right because I was there. But a change like that should not really be needed after the games release.

[dam23]

Since the introduction of patch 2 I have noticed that guilds have in general become more insular. When in mixed teams these days it's sorry got to go my guild needs me. Most chat is now done in guild, teams or /tells. The region chat is hardly ever used accept by a few new people in Matis and the most common thing I have seen in region is 'res plz'.


Well actually,
1- its not nevrax' fault if ppl speak in guild rather than in region (whats the prob w/ that lol), so I cant see where the "nevrax cant fix this in only 6 months" fit.
2- you used to be in our guild, and I don't remember us ever ignoring you or anything.

It was your own choice to leave, since nobody witnessed "your Highness" logging at GoC kami TP, therefore nobody invited you to the team.
Of course, its so far easier to blame the others, than admit you could simply have said "hey guys ? I'm heeeeeere" in guild or around.
So, why blame nevrax for the lack of interaction with other players, if you're the one that decided to stop this interaction ?

[dam23]

Now where the real fun comes into Ryzom is when making trips in groups between one country and another as well as the events which can also be fun.


Why not lead events yourself then? The CSR team is always willing to help with that, afaik.


The game was in my opinion released too early and I think patch 1 was a good indication of this as all the characters skill levels had to be reset. But like most software it hits the market before it is complete.


Nevrax is the only company that dared push back the release date of the game.
At first, it was planned to be released about 3-4 months earlier.


I have been looking at DnL forums and it appears they also have a grinding system so that too could be a matter of endurance, i'll have to wait and see. But it seems to me that online games are designed to be games of endurance.
I hope i'm wrong on this point.

All games obviously become games of endurance, when you're sitting at them 8-16 hours a day.
If you're bored of harvesting/crafting for 14 hours in a row, and bored of leveling too, what about taking a break, to go to town and socialize a bit, help newbies out and all?

[troll16]

Well actually,
1- its not nevrax' fault if ppl speak in guild rather than in region (whats the prob w/ that lol), so I cant see where the "nevrax cant fix this in only 6 months" fit.
2- you used to be in our guild, and I don't remember us ever ignoring you or anything.

It was your own choice to leave, since nobody witnessed "your Highness" logging at GoC kami TP, therefore nobody invited you to the team.
Of course, its so far easier to blame the others, than admit you could simply have said "hey guys ? I'm heeeeeere" in guild or around.
So, why blame nevrax for the lack of interaction with other players, if you're the one that decided to stop this interaction ?


Dam, I'm not going to drag this argument onto the forums we have had this one already (this has nothing to do with my post and I did not know invisibility had been introduced to the game) and my first post on this thread (with ref. to guilds) is not aimed at your guild, it is to do with guilds in general.

I was not going to answer this part but as you decided to bring the subject up even though you know the answer already but maybe I did not make it clear enough at the time. As you know you had a hunting party of 5 guild members (team consisted of Dam, 3 officers and a member) in GoC. I logged on by GoC tp Kami almost on top off Axilis (less than 1m) after about 30 seconds she then ran back to the group who were hunting the Ocyx there which is not very far from the tp. I stayed by the tp for a while before moving towards the group and stood less than 20 m away as it had been a while and I had not received an invite I decided to test the group so I stayed there to test the group (total time approx 15 minutes). At the end of this time period I transported to Min-Cho where I sent a /tell to you Dam saying that I was not impressed and why. You gave me different reasons including: You said that you had posted in guild chat that your team was hunting to improve skills, I said I checked guild chat since I had logged on and there was no mention of that. You then told me that nobody had seen me. So I told you when I logged on I logged on almost on top of Axilis and you said she did not say anything. So with the amount of time involved I found your answers implausible at best, what it did suggest to me the most likely reason is you did not want me to reduce the xp.

Now you said why did I not ask to join the guild team, well the reason is as it was a guild team and I was stood by the team in the middle of nowhere I would have expected an automatic invite. If I was a hunting team leader and someone was stood there I would ask them did they what to join or just invite them they can always say no. Or if just a team member I would usually say in team does x what to join.

So now to the reason I left your guild just so that you are clear on this. I left your guild not because I was not invited into the team. I left your guild because you as guild leader offered me lame excuses for the reason why and as such I lost any respect I had for you.

Hope this makes it clear Dam

To everyone else excluding Dam, sorry for going off topic.

[troll16]

There seems to be some confusion as to my first post in this thread.

So this one is just to put the record straight.

It is not a throw your toys out of the pram type of post. Sorry to disappoint those who thought it was.

It was just a straight forward post based on my observations whilst playing Ryzom and giving reasons why I left.

And as other posts have indicated it seems to have been a fair assessment which, is exactly what I intended it to be.

[andreaw]

Take care Shadowblade, you will be missed. I truely hope you find the perfect game for you. Don't forget us :)

[borguk]

I played planetside for 18 months, CS before that for years but eventually a game will becoming boring and its the ppl you end up logging in for.

I left PS to come here, eventually I will leave Ryzom for something else. Meanwhile new ppl will join as others leave, it is the way of things.

[squack]

all the best Shadowblade.

sGen

Phaedrea's Tears

[troll16]

Even though I stand by the first post on this thread, I'm just letting you know that I am now back in-game (some people know already).

Why did I come back, well it seems that MMOGs are addictive and single player games are no longer of any interest. I looked at other MMOGs but there is only 1 other that I am interested in and that is in development at the moment. Will I leave when it is released the answer to that would be no the reason is 2 MMOGs are better than 1. With MMOGs it's not just about good graphics and gameplay it's also about the community and this game has a good community and I hope it stays that way.

[hans1976]

Welcome back!

I hope we meet one day (or my memory gets better ;-)

[dazman76]

lol Frydes :D

Well Shadowblade, I said it last night, but I'm happy you'll be staying with us for a while longer :) Welcome back mate

[sx4rlet]

lol Frydes :D

Well Shadowblade, I said it last night, but I'm happy you'll be staying with us for a while longer :) Welcome back mate

Yeah, told you too last night!
Welcome back!

Sxarlet

[dam23]

I stayed by the tp for a while before moving towards the group and stood less than 20 m away as it had been a while and I had not received an invite I decided to test the group so I stayed there to test the group (total time approx 15 minutes).


15 mins ? why not make it an hour ?
20m sure is a safe distance to make sure nobody notices you, except if they're looking at their compass, which doesnt happen a lot when you're busy healing ;)


At the end of this time period I transported to Min-Cho where I sent a /tell to you Dam saying that I was not impressed and why. You gave me different reasons including: You said that you had posted in guild chat that your team was hunting to improve skills, I said I checked guild chat since I had logged on and there was no mention of that.


Which lead me to reply that as usual, we were using guildchat instead of teamchat. Anyone *smart* enough would figure out there's a hunting party going on, when seeing 3 "ding" in a row...


You then told me that nobody had seen me. So I told you when I logged on I logged on almost on top of Axilis and you said she did not say anything. So with the amount of time involved I found your answers implausible at best, what it did suggest to me the most likely reason is you did not want me to reduce the xp.


"Hi, I'm a paranoid and I want everyone to know it! "
Look, you're not blaming my gf for not noticing Your Highness logging ok ?


Now you said why did I not ask to join the guild team, well the reason is as it was a guild team and I was stood by the team in the middle of nowhere I would have expected an automatic invite. If I was a hunting team leader and someone was stood there I would ask them did they what to join or just invite them they can always say no. Or if just a team member I would usually say in team does x what to join.


You'd have gotten a team invite if anyone had noticed your Royal Butt, my lord...


I left your guild because you as guild leader offered me lame excuses for the reason why and as such I lost any respect I had for you.


And I'm very glad my "lame" ( o_O ? lol ) excuses drove you away, since you seem very childish here...


Hope this makes it clear Dam


Sure does, you're a paranoid type, imo.
You seem to be taking this game very seriously...

As you can notice, I am not quite ready yet to let you spread fake rumours about either me, my officers, or any other member.

[kildarin]

troll16 you make me laugh ^^ you got Royal blood?
/relaxed to you

Glad you left :D


Maybe you just didn't fit in?? In Elders of Atys I have the time of my life :) . Dont blame it on dam that you dont have a good time in game :/

[karibou]

Well shad i must say when i met u again yesterday i had forgotten all this story and i hadn't read this post yet.
u told me to do it and i did more or less and i told u what i thought.
Now i've read it entirely u can be sure if i did it before i certainly wouldn't have talked to u as i did yesterday.
What is the "i lost the respect i had for u [dam]" meant for? he tried to clarify the situation with u and pof only because u don't have the same view it s over? and btw if u knew the guild and dam as well as i know them u would never say dam is a bad leader.
Now i didn't see the "20m" thingy too lol . oh plz if u want to be invited why staying so far??? only to "test" us and to see if we look at the compass?so test successful we didn't when we are busy. is that enough to discredit a guild and his leader? i think not.
Anyway now it s all over, it happened a while ago and i hope we will forget everything but i won't let u say bad things about the guild again.

[teayuen]

Wow, Shadow... I was there, and I have to admit I did not see you.

But surely, it is common courtesy to say "hi" (at least) to others if you want their attention? You can't expect a team xping to notice you some distance away (while they are busy fighting, healing and trying to stay alive) - also sometimes people really do not pay notice to what's around when they are rushing, I do not think it is fair for you to assume people will notice you because you stand there not saying a word.

[troll16]

troll16 you make me laugh ^^ you got Royal blood?
/relaxed to you

Glad you left :D


Maybe you just didn't fit in?? In Elders of Atys I have the time of my life :) . Dont blame it on dam that you dont have a good time in game :/



LOL, how can you judge on something you know nothing about.

[troll16]

Wow, Shadow... I was there, and I have to admit I did not see you.

But surely, it is common courtesy to say "hi" (at least) to others if you want their attention? You can't expect a team xping to notice you some distance away (while they are busy fighting, healing and trying to stay alive) - also sometimes people really do not pay notice to what's around when they are rushing, I do not think it is fair for you to assume people will notice you because you stand there not saying a word.


It is commom courtesy to say Hi or good evening guild when you log on and I did.

Busy fighting? 1 Ocyx at a time is hardly busy fighting and trying to stay alive, 5 people against one Ocyx is not difficult.

I have been in many hunting parties I can't think of a single time when I had not noticed people stood around if they were within 25 m either by looking at the compass or by direct sight.

[troll16]

Well shad i must say when i met u again yesterday i had forgotten all this story and i hadn't read this post yet.
u told me to do it and i did more or less and i told u what i thought.
Now i've read it entirely u can be sure if i did it before i certainly wouldn't have talked to u as i did yesterday.
What is the "i lost the respect i had for u [dam]" meant for? he tried to clarify the situation with u and pof only because u don't have the same view it s over? and btw if u knew the guild and dam as well as i know them u would never say dam is a bad leader.
Now i didn't see the "20m" thingy too lol . oh plz if u want to be invited why staying so far??? only to "test" us and to see if we look at the compass?so test successful we didn't when we are busy. is that enough to discredit a guild and his leader? i think not.
Anyway now it s all over, it happened a while ago and i hope we will forget everything but i won't let u say bad things about the guild again.



I told you to read that post because as I had metioned your name I thought it only fair that you do so.

One error of judgement does not make someone a bad leader.

I am not attempting to discredit your guild and when I left I was not even judging that incident. I made my decision to leave based solely on the reasons given to me as to why I was not invited.

[troll16]

15 mins ? why not make it an hour ?
20m sure is a safe distance to make sure nobody notices you, except if they're looking at their compass, which doesnt happen a lot when you're busy healing ;)



Which lead me to reply that as usual, we were using guildchat instead of teamchat. Anyone *smart* enough would figure out there's a hunting party going on, when seeing 3 "ding" in a row...



"Hi, I'm a paranoid and I want everyone to know it! "
Look, you're not blaming my gf for not noticing Your Highness logging ok ?



You'd have gotten a team invite if anyone had noticed your Royal Butt, my lord...



And I'm very glad my "lame" ( o_O ? lol ) excuses drove you away, since you seem very childish here...



Sure does, you're a paranoid type, imo.
You seem to be taking this game very seriously...

As you can notice, I am not quite ready yet to let you spread fake rumours about either me, my officers, or any other member.




I'm also glad I left your guild and the only person here I see being childish is you as you do not seem to be able to write a post without getting personal, name calling and abusive.

It's a game how can you take it seriously, it's not like it's a life and death struggle.

There is no spreading of rumours, it was your post that bought this subject up in this thread, not mine.

[sprite]

This thread is so tragically of topic it makes me sad that Lawrence's PM inbox is full :|

[soulsnatcher]

Time to pull it back on topic..

So then, observations about Ryzom

[sprite]

Time to pull it back on topic..

So then, observations about Ryzom
Not so much about Ryzom; more about the forums. Lawrence's inbox is full and none of the other have enabled PMs... Any chance you could have a word in their ears as its a bit difficult to contact a moderator these days :|

[soulsnatcher]

Not so much about Ryzom; more about the forums. Lawrence's inbox is full and none of the other have enabled PMs... Any chance you could have a word in their ears as its a bit difficult to contact a moderator these days :|

I'll poke him to empty his in box - my PMs are enabled

*wonders what he has just let himself in for*

[troll16]

Soulsnatcher this post is not actually off topic but I should have made the title longer.

It is a sorry state of affairs when you feel you have to defend yourself on a forum about something as trivial as leaving a guild which, was my choice to make anyway regardless of reasons.

Well I originally I left because of gameplay issues then I came back because of the community and now I have left because of part of that community.

Dam, think of my leaving as my wedding present to you.



To my friends here I hope we meet again in another MMOG sometime in the future.


This is my last post on these forums and there is no point in answering this post as I will not be reading any replies if any.

[sprite]

This is my last post on these forums and there is no point in answering this post as I will not be reading any replies if any.
Ask a GM (eg souls ;)) to lock the thread so there *can't* be any replies?