Leaving

[monkey3]

Hi all,

I doubt most of you will know me, as you can tell by my post counter I'm not exactly a regular poster to the forums but I am a regular reader. I have played Ryzom throughout it's Open Beta and for the past six/seven months...

My name is Shadowmonkey and I love this game or, more accurately, I love the potential this game has. The graphics are beautiful, the community is the best I've been in or around on the Internet and there is so much more that could be done to this place that would make it the envy of every other MMORG player...

But I've become increasingly bored with the whole place, it's simply team up, fight something, fight something else, get bored, go and do a bit of harvesting/crafting... None of this fills me with any kind of pleasure or satisfaction anymore and I've only been on randomly in the last month for precisly that reason, there's nothing keeping me interested in the game enough to come on-line anymore...

The Outposts are being hailed as the saviour of the game, something that will re-ignite the RP aspect of the place and give guilds something to work on and battle against. I disagree, the most powerful guilds will obtain the best outposts, the other, lesser, guilds will fight amongst themselves for the smaller ones while their members (increasingly bored being in a guild with no Outpost) will flock to join one of the bigger ones until there are but a few huge guilds left that own everything... I'm not saying this will definately happen but I think that the likely-hood is depressingly high..

Ryzom-Ring, I'm sorry but what? Why waste time on something like this when there are parts of the game (that were supposed to be working at time of release) that are obviously dodgy or completely missing? I admit, it could be great, it will be the only one of it's kind and I can see the attraction. What I would be more attracted to, however, are problems and missing components fixed and added to the main game.

Make the main game attractive (and complete)and you don't have to tease players with glorified add-ons such as the Ring.

I turned to the dark-side a month ago and tried out World Of Warcraft. The UI is horrible, the chat system sucks arse and the community is so bad that I wanted to drop a nuclear bomb on the whole thing and declare it unfit for human consumption.

Then, strangely, the quest system, the ability of following a story that means something and goes somewhere, took hold of me. I met a few nice ppl and joined their guild. I tried out different professions and different classes and I found it so much more interesting than just choosing a race that has no effect on the abilities of the characters (until 125 ele that is) and seeing where it could take me..

Then came the crunch, I could no longer afford to keep up a sub on both games and so I had to choose which one I carried on with. The pros and cons with both games were long lists but there was only one conclusion for me...

World of Warcraft (at the moment) is a better game...

Regardless of the amount of idiots you find on it, the sense of achievment, progress and satisfaction as you complete quests and gain lvls is without parallel within Ryzom. Gaining specific abilities for different classes instead of just the basic ele or melee lvls is so much more interesting and it encourages you to have more than one character so you can see how everything works, what other classes get that you don't etc....

There just so much more...content to it

I hate this, I really do. Ryzom will forever be my favourite MMORG for it's potential if nothing else but unless they sort out the rites, offer additional skills and deliver other, promised, content I'm leaving this virtual world for the forseeable future...

So why write this? Why go through all of this when I'm not going to be about much anymore?

I would be very interested to know what other people think; of my decision, of what I've said and how others think about this game regarding the topics I've brought up this rather lengthy post...

I'll keep reading these forums, I'll still read the news items. If and when there's more interesting things to do than the big three (fight, craft/harv) I'll be back...

But for now, I have to say goodby and God bless to you all...

Take care

ShadowMonkey

[pr0ger]

Well, you got point. If you're not someone who have a very long term objective in game involving current gameplay feature, of course you get bored.

As you ask, i'll react :)

About WoW, yes, of course... you have many more "content pick up choice", ryzom is beaten against that

The Outposts are being hailed as the saviour of the game, something that will re-ignite the RP aspect of the place and give guilds something to work on and battle against. I disagree, the most powerful guilds will obtain the best outposts, the other, lesser, guilds will fight amongst themselves for the smaller ones while their members (increasingly bored being in a guild with no Outpost) will flock to join one of the bigger ones until there are but a few huge guilds left that own everything... I'm not saying this will definately happen but I think that the likely-hood is depressingly high..

That will not happens. Big guild being bigger ? Ryzom's player-made history shows us it fail : the Divine Council of Pyr died from internal wars, Infinity today recruited some people who gives them bad fame through those forum (*nudge nudge* lol)...
I bet on the dynamics in-game, like guilds alliances... since outpost must be fame based or race based, we'll finish with 2 (kami/karavan) or 4 (race), even 6 (neutral/betrayers) big factions where guilds can belongs to, and team up to fight others.
If you have a pure solo-player (or unpowered guild member) point of view, i understand you, but when you think about the politics that it will involve, you even can think that big factions/alliance will GIVE outposts to guilds (in order to manage upkeep, land survey, managing timezones...). And i don't even speak about players who like leadership, the conquest for the prime root world, and (my favorite) military strategies and tactics...
I hate PvP, but skipping the "player killing job" and thinking more as a chess game, GvG / Faction vs Faction will for sure gathers all ranks, skill and levels since guild leaders will need them all !!!!!


About ryzom ring, well, yes, i think they shouldnt push it as the hyper addon who will save the world (lol) ... prolly 1 player over 20 or 30 will use it... all we can hope is that addon will add new objects, goodies and so on in the normal world.

[toneh]

the Divine Council of Pyr died from internal wars,

we still here m8!

Albeit a lot smaller, but I think closer guild.

[g00st]

heya Shadowmonkey :o)

ghuiss remembers a old young monkey running around the jungle. good times beer and najabb skin. sorry to see the old monkey no longer dancing :o(. Times are tough in the jungle but there are new faces and hope around the corner.

/target ghuiss
/silly
/sad

At the end of the day all rpg games are gonna be the same and on a long enough time line everyone will quit. seems the french are good at making head aches in a can (stella) so if you dont enjoy something then theres no point playing or paying.

Bored? try something different, try helping some others, try playing a character, try making up some quests, try being evil?, try dancing throu underspring with no death or tp in 30mins, chose life on atyss. (trying for a kinda trainspotting type thing there)

[monkey3]

heya Shadowmonkey :o)

ghuiss remembers a old young monkey running around the jungle. good times beer and najabb skin. sorry to see the old monkey no longer dancing :o(. Times are tough in the jungle but there are new faces and hope around the corner.


Hello mate :)

Yeah things could well be changing but unfortunately not soon enough...!

I agree I could easily get bored with WoW after a while which is why I haven't ruled out coming back when Ryzom gets itself sorted, of which I am confident it will...

Good luck to you tho, it was good hanging round with you when we did, take care...;)

ShadowMonkey

[basicart]

I got through US in about 15mins :D walk to karavan np then speed - melee aura - invul to portal :D good fun

[monkey3]

I also wanna say goodbye to a few Peeps that I may not find in my final walks through Atys...

Mikos, Misian, Celikiel and the rest of the bods from Abyss Eye - it was great to meet you, thanks for all your help and I hope AE goes from strength to strength :)

Twitches - you crazy madman, take care mate, hopefully I'll catch you before I go and get you all these matts that are waiting for you, be a shame to let them go to waste. Good luck with all you do in the world, real life and virtual...:)

And Guiss of course - Chelsea may have bottomless pockets but we'll still kick your arse in the League mate ;)

[monkey3]

I would say DazMan as well but, well, I see him about in real life and thats enough....;)

[philu]

seems the french are good at making head aches in a can (stella)


I hate to be picky but Stella is Belgian mate. :)


P.S. Good luck shadowmonkey.

[g00st]

I hate to be picky but Stella is Belgian mate. :)


P.S. Good luck shadowmonkey.

ah but they inject it with french wife beating chemicals

[trenker]

I have also started playing rubbishy old WoW in last few weeks. It has been a load of fun despite the critics and I too find myself dreading logging in to the deserted Dyron desert. (Did I spell the desserts right?)

Oh well. Perhaps we shall all come back one day eh.

[micrix]

I would be very interested to know what other people think; of my decision, of what I've said and how others think about this game regarding the topics I've brought up this rather lengthy post...


There is no problem with playing WoW. I played it *before* i came to Ryzom. Its was fun for a while. That where the early days without highlvls and a lot of curious people. Some of the Quests where fun, some where really great most where anoying. After two or tree month it starts to be boring. Wow is just a game, not a "world". So called content is limited there too.

I dont want to list all the MMOs i checked out the last weeks. But atm there is nothing out there that could keep me longer then for some months. To be really true, i am completely frustrated with the mmo industry. There are probably 3 games in the queue worth paying for and only one of them could challange the graphics and design of Ryzom. Time will tell...

About Ryzom it is that my online time decreased. It is summertime, but i also lost interesst in levels. I am not really uber, but i dont like the way to level. And somehow i dont want to dig anymore. Fortunately i am rich enough and can afford just to walk around or attend an event :D. If its fun i team, if not i dont. Time will tell...

[grimjim]

"None of this fills me with any kind of pleasure or satisfaction anymore and I've only been on randomly in the last month for precisly that reason, there's nothing keeping me interested in the game enough to come on-line anymore..."

I'm about to reach my in game goals in terms of levels, but what's going to keep me coming back is the very community you mentioned. Roleplaying, helping people out, escorting the odd trip, working the mercenary angle for dappers and watching the story unfold as I cease to worry about levels so much.

"The Outposts are being hailed as the saviour of the game, something that will re-ignite the RP aspect of the place and give guilds something to work on and battle against. I disagree."

I agree with you on outposts, I don't think they're going to be the be all and end all. There just isn't that much interest save amongst a few in PvP so they'll just end up being fighting between the same few people or people will settle into the outposts. They'll add additional focal points and colour to the landscape, a few bonuses we're told, but what else really?

"Ryzom-Ring, I'm sorry but what? Why waste time on something like this when there are parts of the game (that were supposed to be working at time of release) that are obviously dodgy or completely missing? I admit, it could be great, it will be the only one of it's kind and I can see the attraction. What I would be more attracted to, however, are problems and missing components fixed and added to the main game. "

Here we part company, I think R2 is the saving grace of Ryzom. Player created content in a proper MMO is a holy grail and I really hope they pull it off. If our community is as creative and skilled as it seems to be people will be able to customise and grow the game and end up with something wonderful that we're all even more invested in. Like Neverwinter Nights on crack.

"Then, strangely, the quest system, the ability of following a story that means something and goes somewhere, took hold of me. I met a few nice ppl and joined their guild. I tried out different professions and different classes and I found it so much more interesting than just choosing a race that has no effect on the abilities of the characters (until 125 ele that is) and seeing where it could take me."

See, I can't see WoW in those terms. The story doesn't mean anything and doesn't go anywhere because its already been done, multiple times, by everyone. Your participation is meaningless, what you've killed today is there tommorow, everything is static and you can't actually make a difference. Plus classes and levels are soooo 1974.

I'll agree I'd like to see some racial divergence in Ryzom but I think that is slowly coming about with the ency missions and their fame requirements. I'd rather see some explicit bonuses though according to race.

"Regardless of the amount of idiots you find on it, the sense of achievment, progress and satisfaction as you complete quests and gain lvls is without parallel within Ryzom. Gaining specific abilities for different classes instead of just the basic ele or melee lvls is so much more interesting and it encourages you to have more than one character so you can see how everything works, what other classes get that you don't etc..."

I can't get a sense of acheivement from a game so heavily instanced, so heavily dependent on missions that are full of character but dependent on you not realising that it doesn't make sense for them to still be there after several thousand people have killed the same big bad. Ryzom may have repetitive missions but they're plausible, they maintain my suspension of disbelief. WoW just seems like one side a one player/group game that everyone plays linearly, then some badly thought out PvP tacked onto the side. Different strokes for different folks but world consistency and a genuinely influenced plot, however rarely done, wins me over.

"I would be very interested to know what other people think; of my decision, of what I've said and how others think about this game regarding the topics I've brought up this rather lengthy post..."

I think you're wrong. I think the content in WoW is illusory.

You know the saying? Give a man a fish he'll eat tonight, teach him to fish and he'll eat forever?

WoW is a fish, Ryzom is a fishing rod, you have to work for your supper, its not just given to you, but you eat forever.

[bf649ztp]

Ok, sure, it's time for the high levellers, the 'uber players' to try something else and spread their wings. That's fine, cool, just don't blame it on Ryzom for being incomplete. You've made it this far, well done, now move on without a fanfare or possibly influencing the decision of new players on whether they decide to subscribe or not. Let other players, like me, who have not been playing since Open Beta to take over the reigns of being 'veterens of the game'. I'm 200+ in a couple of skillls but still have a very long way to go. Have you enjoyed the 14+ hours a day you have been playing for how many months? Yes, well just go then with a strong recomendation that anyone who has not played yet TRY IT, and that's it. There is life after death, especially in games!!!!!!!

[dazman76]

That's fine, cool, just don't blame it on Ryzom for being incomplete.

Two things:

1) Shadow was expressing his frustration at Ryzom, he was not blaming it for forcing him to leave. A lot of what he said was true, and he has found more enjoyment elsewhere, with another game.

2) Ryzom is incomplete. Most MMOs are incomplete - unfortunately, Ryzom is currently at the thicker end of the scale. True, some things are finished and working nicely. Some things feel very rough and unfinished compared to other games.

[basicart]

Ok, sure, it's time for the high levellers, the 'uber players' to try something else and spread their wings. That's fine, cool, just don't blame it on Ryzom for being incomplete. You've made it this far, well done, now move on without a fanfare or possibly influencing the decision of new players on whether they decide to subscribe or not. Let other players, like me, who have not been playing since Open Beta to take over the reigns of being 'veterens of the game'. I'm 200+ in a couple of skillls but still have a very long way to go. Have you enjoyed the 14+ hours a day you have been playing for how many months? Yes, well just go then with a strong recomendation that anyone who has not played yet TRY IT, and that's it. There is life after death, especially in games!!!!!!!

Where can ya tell me does he say hes been grinding his lvls to 250? For all i know hes lvl 100.

[sprite]

Ok, sure, it's time for the high levellers, the 'uber players' to try something else and spread their wings. That's fine, cool, just don't blame it on Ryzom for being incomplete. You've made it this far, well done, now move on without a fanfare or possibly influencing the decision of new players on whether they decide to subscribe or not. Let other players, like me, who have not been playing since Open Beta to take over the reigns of being 'veterens of the game'. I'm 200+ in a couple of skillls but still have a very long way to go. Have you enjoyed the 14+ hours a day you have been playing for how many months? Yes, well just go then with a strong recomendation that anyone who has not played yet TRY IT, and that's it. There is life after death, especially in games!!!!!!!
*smack smack smack*

I'm a player who started in Open Beta. I have one skill above 200, and thats Desert Forage at 208.

The "uber levelers" are very rarely the people who were here at the beginning, so don't blame us.

[toelke]

Ok, sure, it's time for the high levellers, the 'uber players' to try something else and spread their wings. That's fine, cool, just don't blame it on Ryzom for being incomplete. You've made it this far, well done, now move on without a fanfare or possibly influencing the decision of new players on whether they decide to subscribe or not. Let other players, like me, who have not been playing since Open Beta to take over the reigns of being 'veterens of the game'. I'm 200+ in a couple of skillls but still have a very long way to go. Have you enjoyed the 14+ hours a day you have been playing for how many months? Yes, well just go then with a strong recomendation that anyone who has not played yet TRY IT, and that's it. There is life after death, especially in games!!!!!!!

i aggree completely with you! and it's not a question of level.

Toelke

[vguerin]

*smack smack smack*

I'm a player who started in Open Beta. I have one skill above 200, and thats Desert Forage at 208.

The "uber levelers" are very rarely the people who were here at the beginning, so don't blame us.There are many of us old time players here with multiple skills at 250...

Though not many of them spend quite so much time in IRC/Klients and forums as you :P

[ixianuk]

There are many of us old time players here with multiple skills at 250...

Though not many of them spend quite so much time in IRC/Klients and forums as you :P
I aint been on long thou... I have almost 3 skills at 250 :p but overall lvl's are not the main part of this post he expressed his feelings for ryzom and explained why hes leaving thats.

He wasnt saying cos he was high lvl or nothing he just said theres nothing he wants to do atm :)

As far as i can tell theres nothing wrong with that..

I dont know the person who started this post, but n.m, gd luck to you mate... Maybe i will see you in ryzom again sometime :D

[moagim]

WoW is not a good game. There is little choice, and a very poorly implemented 'honour' system. Maybe in another year it will be a good game, when you can actually make your char different to others, and they actually balance the game.

[trenker]

WoW is not a good game. There is little choice, and a very poorly implemented 'honour' system. Maybe in another year it will be a good game, when you can actually make your char different to others, and they actually balance the game.

You are right, but for some damn reason, it's fun (for me anyways) at the moment.

[mmatto]

Take care Shadow. Maybe we will meet again at some other place or time.

[glipe]

*smack smack smack*

I'm a player who started in Open Beta. I have one skill above 200, and thats Desert Forage at 208.

The "uber levelers" are very rarely the people who were here at the beginning, so don't blame us.

*nods furtively*

I've been here for quite some time, Open beta, Focus Beta, etc. I have not one skill at even level 100. Everything is below. Though I did do some leveling recently and feel a little more competent holding a weapon in front of me. Level is nothing, thirst is everything.