Clarification on Infinty

[b00ster1]

About the Rumors Today
I found out there were rumors of Infinity killing me in roots.
I am posting this to save myself the time of explaining to everyone that may ask.
That incident was when a Vorax killed me (dragged by an Infinity member [talked to him, see screenshot]).
I thought it was an accident but now I am not sure.
I spoke with Infinity and I was told they are not targeting me or have anything personally against me. Just that they will kill anybody attemtping to dig the supreme mats they are after.

I am not complaining I understand the risks involved. However it is surprising after digging for all these months in peace. So just to clarify I was told they will Kill Anybody, me included, when they are there digging for supremes.

Screenshot (http://www.bsoft.ru/temp/zryos.jpg)

[amitst]

Ahhh, such good faithful kami, simultaneously protecting there own interests as well as the sanctity of the planet's resources.

[basicart]

o.O i was there and they tryed to rez ya but you disided to spawn insted

[ixianuk]

ouch booster must hurt dude :(

[8bear8]

Booster. I ran over to u wondering who was near us. I didnt know i had a Vorax on me. It killed me and then killed u. My team rezed me and killed the vorax. We tried to give u a team invite but u didnt accept. We were gonna rez u put u ported out.


Tooken

[virii]

In all fairness booster I’m sure it wouldn’t have been done on purpose, I was in Infinity for the longest time and that’s not there way to deal with things, if they wanted to kill you they would have nuked you or told you to leave before they nuke you.

But there is a lot of tension between Super Nodes and it seems a lot of people like you in 1 Man Guilds snap up all the Ambers/Bark etc which is all fair of course but people like you and some of the others don’t have a guild to supply for.

Hope this issue is sorted out soon and doesn’t turn into a massive flame war.

Laters,
Locky

[larwood]

So, just to get it straight....

From what Zyros said in the screenshot, Infinity will defend any supreme spots and prevent anyone from diggin there. I understand that if you were there first, maybe this makes sense..... Now, does this also apply to people who were there before Infinity, say Booster was there diggin, and Infinity shows up... will you still nuke him? Or let him dig since he arrived first?

I dont want to debate your and my opinions on this matter. If you could just answer the question, that will be sufficient. thanks :) (please, I'm asking Infinity members, not other guilds who wanna take a stab at me or my guild)

[basicart]

Hell there dont have to be any mats there for me to wanna take ON out :D

[zyryx]

So, just to get it straight....

From what Zyros said in the screenshot, Infinity will defend any supreme spots and prevent anyone from diggin there. I understand that if you were there first, maybe this makes sense..... Now, does this also apply to people who were there before Infinity, say Booster was there diggin, and Infinity shows up... will you still nuke him? Or let him dig since he arrived first?

I dont want to debate your and my opinions on this matter. If you could just answer the question, that will be sufficient. thanks :)


In this case we were there first. On the other matter, if he was there first - I honestly couldn't say. I'm not the one who generally makes the big decisions on who dies and who lives.

This sounds bad, but I bet if he was there first, we would probably kill him anyway.. It's a PvP zone - the whole point of making it a PvP zone is the supernodes. If I were digging alone, and you rolled up, and wanted all the amber you could get, would you let me live? (yeah, you might say yes.. but oyu might not..)

[larwood]

In this case we were there first. On the other matter, if he was there first - I honestly couldn't say. I'm not the one who generally makes the big decisions on who dies and who lives.

This sounds bad, but I bet if he was there first, we would probably kill him anyway.. It's a PvP zone - the whole point of making it a PvP zone is the supernodes. If I were digging alone, and you rolled up, and wanted all the amber you could get, would you let me live? (yeah, you might say yes.. but oyu might not..)


Thanks for the respectful reply Zyros.

And in reply to your question no, Thom would not nuke a digger diggin Sups if he was there first... I ran to a sup spot, and found booster diggin, bowed to him, chatted for a sec, and went elsewhere.

[roninpvp]

Infinty doesnt have manners in the non pvp zones either a infinty person shows up on my spot and starts digging this I dont mind.... Little did I realize that the duo would careplan/strip and my generiosity would be rewarded with a pittyful handful :p

And I dont agree with the 1 man guild doesnt need mats. Big guilds dont "need" the mats when they go off selling stuff outside of guild. Its just the big gorilla stealing all the bannanas and then selling them :eek: I guess people not in big guilds aren't allowed to have fun digging for supremes or benefit by auctioning them off in Bazzar. :rolleyes: And I guess people who cant dig supremes in roots ( or high lvl sups that is i.e. 250) cant hope for an auction in the bazzar to try to win or even just understand the supply/demand for these mats.

Booster shouldnt have auctioned off that sup zun or bigshell I do remember infinity winning the zun but forget who won the bigshell :rolleyes:

[zyryx]

About the Rumors Today
I found out there were rumors of Infinity killing me in roots.
I am posting this to save myself the time of explaining to everyone that may ask.
That incident was when a Vorax killed me (dragged by an Infinity member [talked to him, see screenshot]).
I thought it was an accident but now I am not sure.
I spoke with Infinity and I was told they are not targeting me or have anything personally against me. Just that they will kill anybody attemtping to dig the supreme mats they are after.

I am not complaining I understand the risks involved. However it is surprising after digging for all these months in peace. So just to clarify I was told they will Kill Anybody, me included, when they are there digging for supremes.

Screenshot (http://www.bsoft.ru/temp/zryos.jpg)


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Now, in this screenshot, you mentioned that you assumed the vorax was accidental.

So why did you not bring up the fact that you assumed the vorax pull was accidental? For that matter, what's the point of posting this at all? I'm sure everyone knows we kill people sometimes, and I'm SURE they (everyone) know we would kill people attempting to dig at supernodes if we could.

So the official word: Infinity will kill people digging at supernodes so they can get all the materials IF THEY HAVE THE POWER. If you want to dig at supernodes in a PvP zone where oyu can get supreme q250 anything, be prepared to fight for it.

Do I need to clarify more?

[amitst]

Thanks for the respectful reply Zyros.

And in reply to your question no, Thom would not nuke a digger diggin Sups if he was there first...

Apparently, Thom plays by the age-old and venerable law of "Finders, Keepers"

I think he more meant that he does not favor violence, and has more of may the best digger get the most mats mentality.

[basicart]

Infinty doesnt have manners in the non pvp zones either a infinty person shows up on my spot and starts digging this I dont mind.... Little did I realize that the duo would careplan/strip and my generiosity would be rewarded with a pittyful handful :p

And I dont agree with the 1 man guild doesnt need mats. Big guilds dont "need" the mats when they go off selling stuff outside of guild. Its just the big gorilla stealing all the bannanas and then selling them :eek: I guess people not in big guilds aren't allowed to have fun digging for supremes or benefit by auctioning them off in Bazzar. :rolleyes:

Booster shouldnt have auctioned off that sup zun or bigshell I do remember infinity winning the zun but forget who won the bigshell :rolleyes:

No offence like but 1 man guilds do not need the mats 20 sups a month would do ya. Since ya not giving these sups away for free to people in your 1 man guild why would you need 300 sups if not just to make your self richer?
If ya wanna get these PvP sups its time to start fighting for them and to do that maybe you will need to make your guild that little bit bigger and start making them items eh? Hording for ya self aint helping anyone in the comunity :(

[larwood]

So why did you not bring up the fact that you assumed the vorax pull was accidental?


he did... in his post he says that at first he thought is was accidental. Am I missing something?

[zyryx]

he did... in his post he says that at first he thought is was accidental. Am I missing something?

oops I missed that - but he also said now he's not so sure. i.e. he thinks it was purposefully done. We had enough firepower to drop him without a vorax, believe me.

[larwood]

oops I missed that - but he also said now he's not so sure. i.e. he thinks it was purposefully done. We had enough firepower to drop him without a vorax, believe me.


Aye, I'm sure you did have the firepower... but why would anyone drag aggro on another? It's not a question of firepower. (i'm not accusing anyone, but you know... dragging aggro has and does happen)

[roninpvp]

No offence like but 1 man guilds do not need the mats 20 sups a month would do ya. Since ya not giving these sups away for free to people in your 1 man guild why would you need 300 sups if not just to make your self richer?
If ya wanna get these PvP sups its time to start fighting for them and to do that maybe you will need to make your guild that little bit bigger and start making them items eh? Hording for ya self aint helping anyone in the comunity :(

My comments were to bring up the fact that these bigger guiilds often profit by selling outside the guild. So then your point is that big guilds help the community by selling at high prices and a player that wants to solo cannot profit by selling their crafts?

Lets see Nevrax has essentially made solo hunting non viable. So the big guilds are now adding more angst to the solo players by claiming that people who are not in big guilds are all greedy horders of supremes and that they should be happy with 20 (you forget about degrades or that even a solo player may have poor sucess % if they are crafting all things themselves and actually need lots of mats) or so supremes for personal use only? Morever, that the big guilds are entitled to a trade monopoly on the best gear cause power makes all things right and morally just?

[larwood]

Morever, that the big guilds are entitled to a trade monopoly on the best gear cause power makes all things right and morally just?


Sinful, mate... going down the "what's right and moral" road with these guys is a bit of a waste... they do what they want because they can... and thats about it. I've tried to talk about shoulds and stuff... but it just ends in a flame war and hot-heads.

[b00ster1]

So the official word: Infinity will kill people digging at supernodes so they can get all the materials IF THEY HAVE THE POWER. If you want to dig at supernodes in a PvP zone where oyu can get supreme q250 anything, be prepared to fight for it.I am not complaining I understand the risks involved. However it is surprising after digging for all these months in peace. So just to clarify I was told they will Kill Anybody

it seems a lot of people like you in 1 Man Guilds snap up all the Ambers/Bark etc which is all fair of course but people like you and some of the others don’t have a guild to supply forDifference is - i sell/auction mats/items for whole community (and guilds, which dont have hi-lvl diggers/crafters), mats duged by guild - usually stores in GHall...
(Btw, anyone remember first, Sup/Exc "not overpriced amps from Zun" (by Absinthia) "wave" in shops? Guess who supplied mats...

Current thread meaning was to tell for community, what Zryos told (see first quote).

[basicart]

Booster sells tho and makes millions on the auction and thats all fair game to him but i dont know why you would think a bigger guild doing this would be any diff to a solo player. Ii know iv only ever auctioned 1 pike. Single people guilds can dig where ever they want for all i care but they shouldnt think they have a rite to take what ever they want in a PvP Zone just cos they are solo players. If they gave stuff out to people im sure they would find people to back them up as the guilds do and as the game seems to want you to as well.

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[basicart]

Difference is - i sell/auction mats/items for whole community (and guilds, which dont have hi-lvl diggers/crafters), mats duged by guild - usually stores in GHall...
(Btw, anyone remember first, Sup/Exc "not overpriced amps from Zun" (by Absinthia) "wave" in shops? Guess who supplied mats...

Current thread meaning was to tell for community, what Zryos told (see first quote).

Yes but i aint selling im giving free to my 38 guild members

[larwood]

Yes but i aint selling im giving free to my 38 guild members

Basic, you give em to your guildies for free cause you're a good guildie. Booster is playing how he likes. You play how you like, even though some people dont agree with how you play, you expect them to deal with it. Why can't you do the same?

[b00ster1]

Yes but i aint selling im giving free to my 38 guild members Like i said, difference is you giving for your guild, i selling for all..
(You think i need dappers which i getting from sales? I getting 10x times more from grind, and price is just prevention from buying by players unneded stuffs, just because sup/exc and too cheap)
Back to on topic.

[basicart]

Why should i not play as i want and my guild go with out for the sake of a 1 man guild?

[basicart]

Sorry booster but as a 1 man guild you fail to see the diff between giving away to 38 players free and selling to 1 rich player?

[zyryx]

Like i said, difference is you giving for your guild, i selling for all..
(You think i need dappers which i getting from sales? I getting 10x times more from grind, and price is just prevention from buying by players unneded stuffs, just because sup/exc and too cheap)
Back to on topic.


giving and selling are 2 different things.. by selling, only the big guilds or rich people get your stuff anyway.. who the heck can afford 99 sup zun at over 1.2m a mat? Sure, we can - but we're not exactly a dinky guild..

None of hte small guilds can afford that unless they've got a gigantic wad of cash or a lot of people...

[d29565]

My comments were to bring up the fact that these bigger guiilds often profit by selling outside the guild. So then your point is that big guilds help the community by selling at high prices and a player that wants to solo cannot profit by selling their crafts?

Lets see Nevrax has essentially made solo hunting non viable. So the big guilds are now adding more angst to the solo players by claiming that people who are not in big guilds are all greedy horders of supremes and that they should be happy with 20 (you forget about degrades or that even a solo player may have poor sucess % if they are crafting all things themselves and actually need lots of mats) or so supremes for personal use only? Morever, that the big guilds are entitled to a trade monopoly on the best gear cause power makes all things right and morally just?

All of it, very well written. Exactly what I was going to post, but would never have been able to type it up so pretty.

[omsop]

hmmm good reading here, but i once went on a Sup Zun hunt with infinity, & when i was with them, yeah there was killin, but there was also rezzing going on, from the players who accepted the rez's, also it was said to others who turned up about sharing, i think most times infinity will kill ya, but they will rez ya unless your attitude sux, ( i know from past experiences, lol ), they aint all that bad.

i really dont want to get into the issue about 1 man guilds & the storing of Sup mats, BUT, i know at least 3 x 1 man Guilds who will have as many Sup mats as any large Guild, i know for a fact all they do is store for themselves, if they do supply anyone else with Supreme items it is other 1 man Guilds.
a few of them cant say " we a re providing the community " they give nothing away unless they get stacks of mats in return for an item, lol.
They are mearly 1 man guilds for personal reasons, STORAGE. A couple of these 1 man Guild's would be 2 man guilds if GH's had unlimited space, but cause they dont, they decide to stay seperate to they can hoard as much as they can, even fill the merchants when apartment/packers & GH is full.

gah i am in a bad mood now,,, FLAME ME :P

[vinnyq]

I'll speak for Infinity this time.

"All is fair in love and PR diggin".

(but I think fairness should also be extended to the 1 man guild :D)

[omsop]

what about the 2 man Guild? :P

[b00ster1]

giving and selling are 2 different things.. Yes. But selling enough cheap GOOD (not degrades) hiqlt items (or mats) for players/guilds which not able get in any other way, when you don't need dappers - is 3rd things. (and btw, many players got items almost/or for -free.
And you think 1.5 packers full of exc/sup mats (3 weeks PR dig) for 20 mills it's much? (supplied myself whole guilds) (FYI: 20 mills = 1.5-2 days digging in Forest).

And well, again (as usually), thread turned flamewar/offtopic.

[vinnyq]

2-man, 3-man, size don't matter, it's how well you ... um .. nevermind!

[virii]

2-man, 3-man, size don't matter, it's how well you ... um .. nevermind!
Vinny your GF only tells you size don't matter so it don't hurt your feelings....

[basicart]

Yes. But selling enough cheap GOOD (not degrades) hiqlt items (or mats) for players/guilds which not able get in any other way, when you don't need dappers - is 3rd things. (and btw, many players got items almost/or for -free.
And you think 1.5 packers full of exc/sup mats (3 weeks PR dig) for 20 mills it's much? (supplied myself whole guilds) (FYI: 20 mills = 1.5-2 days digging in Forest).

And well, again (as usually), thread turned flamewar/offtopic.

What ya gonna do for outposts ?

[larwood]

To add on to Fyrx's statement....

Here is how I see it.

Some high-level playres who are very much in support of PvP
don't appreciate that Booster or any other one-man guild is getting
the Sup's, because that means they can't have them. They are saying
that booster "should" not be doing this, that is is "selfish" etc...etc...etc...

Now on other threads, and in conversation, I've heard these
members say that in PvP zones, they will kill anyone they want, because
"they can". They say, "it's a PvP zone, they devs made it like this for a reason, if you don't
wanna be killed, dont enter the PvP Zone. Its that easy.",
I've also heard members of their guilds say that they kill peeps in PvP areas cause "it's the
only thing to do at our levels." They do not care about anyone else but
themselves, is that not "selfish" like they are accusing booster".

I've even brought up the argument that because you "can" do something, it doesn't
always mean you "should". These players have shot me down with statements
like I need to get off my high horse etc..etc...etc... (now i see some of them or their
guildmates using the same "should" arguments agains Booster.

To sum it up they told me:

"I'll play how I want, and if it bothers you, then get over it! I pay my monthly
fee the same as you!"

It appears to me that these players are all fine about doing what they want,
when they want, regardless of what other people think.
Now that someone is impeding on their game-play and how they like to play,
(i.e. taking the sup mats for a 1-man guild and selling them) they are all mad
and upset about it....

Well, I'm overjoyed to say this....

"Booster can play how he wants, and if it bothers you, then get over it! He
pays his monthly fee the same as you!"

(I am not saying that I agree with Booster's play style, I just think it is important to point out this observation.

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[akicks]

Why should i not play as i want and my guild go with out for the sake of a 1 man guild?

Right back at you. WHy shouldn't Booster play as he wants?

[ixianuk]

To add on to Fyrx's statement....

Here is how I see it.

Some high-level playres who are very much in support of PvP
don't appreciate that Booster or any other one-man guild is getting
the Sup's, because that means they can't have them. They are saying
that booster "should" not be doing this, that is is "selfish" etc...etc...etc...

Now on other threads, and in conversation, I've heard these
members say that in PvP zones, they will kill anyone they want, because
"they can". They say, "it's a PvP zone, they devs made it like this for a reason, if you don't
wanna be killed, dont enter the PvP Zone. Its that easy.",
I've also heard members of their guilds say that they kill peeps in PvP areas cause "it's the
only thing to do at our levels." They do not care about anyone else but
themselves, is that not "selfish" like they are accusing booster".

I've even brought up the argument that because you "can" do something, it doesn't
always mean you "should". These players have shot me down with statements
like I need to get off my high horse etc..etc...etc... (now i see some of them or their
guildmates using the same "should" arguments agains Booster.

To sum it up they told me:

"I'll play how I want, and if it bothers you, then get over it! I pay my monthly
fee the same as you!"

It appears to me that these players are all fine about doing what they want,
when they want, regardless of what other people think.
Now that someone is impeding on their game-play and how they like to play,
(i.e. taking the sup mats for a 1-man guild and selling them) they are all mad
and upset about it....

Well, I'm overjoyed to say this....

"Booster can play how he wants, and if it bothers you, then get over it! He
pays his monthly fee the same as you!"

(I am not saying that I agree with Booster's play style, I just think it is important to point out this observation.
i guess thats a fair comment.... :)

[basicart]

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PVP ZONE!!! No patros easy to dig mats get some peeps together and fight for em :D or go back to patrol dodging and digging in US, WL and Ichor

I make that choice to enter the zone and take what ever comes of it i really do not know at all why others think that fighting in a PvP zone is evil. You made your choice to be able to dig easy mats now live with it.

[scarazi]

What ya gonna do for outposts ?

that sounds like a very cheap shot at one of (or the) best crafters in atys. i do not know how you can say that crafting 38 items for free makes you a more important crafter/homin than someone who sells 38 items for dapper (not for profit but to purchase more mats therefore maintaining a circular economy in atys)

i can comment here, because i too have supplied a 30+ guild, and have also crafted alone and continued to do so, and personally i get more pleasure the way i do it now (relativly solo), i create individual items catered for the person, crafted with passion and very proud of what i make, rather than throwing 20 items excatly the same items into guild hall and shouting in guild chat "help yourselves".

yes, the guild hunts, mass slaughters, can be fun, but.. one underestimated (great) part of the game is the trading/bartering/favours and often struggle to make an individual item(s) worthy to put the crafters name on it ;)

[omsop]

there is Zun in other PR 250 zones, i wouldnt waste my time going to a PvP zone for 1 type of mat & risk the possability of getting nothing.
goto another zone & dig to your hearts content if you dont like PvP.

Btw, i am not interested in pvp, thats why i dont dig there, cause i would end up losing it & posting something in the forums.

I settle for the sup mats i get in other zones, even if i share the spots, 20 or 30 Sup mats are better than 0 mats. :)

lol, supplying 38 or 30 ppl Guild, i am in 2 man Guild & i am supplying some members from large guilds with LA for free, i do not take anything for it, no mats, no dapper, but i think after reading this thread, i wont be doing it no more,,, YOUR ALL SELFISH :p

oops sorry Neva, 1 man & 1 woman Guild i am in :p

[larwood]

I You made your choice to be able to dig easy mats now live with it.


Fair enough Basic,

Booster will do what he wants with his mats. Now live with it. :D

[ixianuk]

Fair enough Basic,

Booster will do what he wants with his mats. Now live with it. :D

anyone can kill who they want in PvP, So all live with it stop crying and B*tching about it and play your game how you want to play it.. if somthing happens and its against the CoC then fine post on forums...

But killing somone in Pr isnt against the CoC... so why post?..

not trying to make someone angry by this... but its true.. if its not against the CoC then whats the point in posting its not gunna solve anything..

[akicks]

anyone can kill who they want in PvP

When a mob is the tool that is used to do it, no. No they can't.

[larwood]

if its not against the CoC then whats the point in posting its not gunna solve anything..


To warn other players from malicious behavior... reason enough for me. Defending principle... also worth a post. Comming to an agreement, or resolution... worthy of a post or two. :)

Why is the forum here, if only to post rule-breaking?

[b00ster1]

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PVP ZONE!!! No patros easy to dig mats
....
But killing somone in Pr isnt against the CoC... so why post?..
A little above:I am not complaining I understand the risks involved
....
So just to clarify I was told they will Kill AnybodyUS, WL and IchorNot going for easy things, digging in Wasterlands, and if you see - dodging already KP, Vrx and etc
At screenshot:
-How things?
-As usually, near DP cap

[basicart]

Mate you know and i think most people know that Umbra is a joke PR its far to easy there used to be patols then they took them out and added PvP.

[totnkopf]

But killing somone in Pr isnt against the CoC... so why post?..

I was also at the scene with the encounter of Booster and infinity. I was also killed when the Supreme popped on the super node. In fact, Infinity had attacked me on sight of a pick (and Basic kindly rez'd me) and continued to harass me even as i dug the excel (which no one else was even touching). During this time of diggin, Tooken and a couple other infins ran around with a vorax, mostly around me (I'm assuming they wanted it to peel off on me, but I'm not certain. Seemed somewhat fishy when they had simply dropped one of the other ones earlier hen it had spawned, and that tooken and the rest of them were runnin around with this one).

I had no problems with them guarding a node for supremes. That is after all why it is a PvP area. However, Tooken took it upon herself to send a continous flow of low level stun spells my way as I dug. No reason for it, other than to prove she was still wearing diapers. And bear in mind, I was the only one diggin in this spot. The rest of the diggers for infinity and OmegaV were just sitting together on a hill. Now in my mind, that constitutes harrassment. If she wanted me out of the way, then she could have simply killed me. I spawn away from the area and have to await my focus to regen. Instead, she was simply being a child and harassing another player.

[boinged]

Sounds like Booster did Infinity a favour - they're happy with their policy and this is free advertising ;) Booster also did the community another favour so people now know what they might be up against if they want those supreme mats for themselves.

Booster is a nice guy and it's a shame he's now got a fight he can't win on his own to get those mats. IMHO he does benefit the general community (and gain a bit of worthless dapper in the process) by selling to everyone. Supplying a guild with decent equipment is no small task either and this is now down to pure competition.

Infinity now risks a backlash from the community by using these aggressive measures (which they're entitled to use). Once again we come to there being consequences for your actions - same as there are consequences for people trying to harvest these mats :) This is what forms the politics of the game and these forums are a valid place to discuss them.

[basicart]

Dont talk just act :D

[8bear8]

Aww morgaine. Did i annoy u? Live with it. If u didnt like it then get away. Dont go on the forum and cry like a little baby.

Tooken

[omsop]

as far as i am concerned, i am finished reading this thread. cause at the end of the day, no rules have been broken & aggro pulling wasnt reported as it wasnt sure if it was intensional, certain area's which have Sup mats, including Nexus was made PvP, so i guess the dev's want it this way, ppl to fight for sources, so any complaints should be sent to the Dev's for making it this way.

[totnkopf]

Aww morgaine. Did i annoy u? Live with it. If u didnt like it the get away. Dont go on the forum and cry like a little baby.

Tooken

LoL... I did act. I got several screenies of a tooken corpse. Also, I'm not about to run away from a child. As I said before, low level stun spells. Not many actually hit, but it still counts as harassment to me. You were doing it just to be annoying, and not to any actual end.

And I am living with it. If I had truly wanted to come cry about it, I would have posted as soon as the whole ordeal was over. Instead, I didn't bring any of this up until a discussion was started by another. I also have a bunch of screenies of the whole thing, but my point here was not to "whine" or "cry like a little baby", but to join in on the conversation started by b00ster.

[8bear8]

I dont care if u have screenies. U killed me when i was afk. Wow your soo powerful. U can post all the screenies u want i really dont care. U take it as harrassment. Wow, we playing a video game.

Tooken

[b00ster1]

Mate you know and i think most people know that Umbra is a joke PRAbove:Not going for easy things, digging in WasterlandsYou don't digging in Wasterlands, so you dont see me. Digging only in Wasterlands, and returning to Umbra only to seasonal spots occasionally.
And i was already almost Expert PR, before Umbra was PvP zone and without KP, and actually diged in Abbyss of Irchor till lvl 190.
i guess the dev's want it this way, ppl to fight for sources, so any complaints should be sent to the Dev's for making it this wayDid i complain? Have you read initial post?
am not complaining I understand the risks involve

[basicart]

Then why post this ya could of cleared it all up in tells

[b00ster1]

Then why post this ya could of cleared it all up in tellsWe have already cleared it all up in tells and :
...
I am posting this to save myself the time of explaining to everyone that may ask.
...
I spoke with Infinity and I was told they are not targeting me or have anything personally against me. Just that they will kill anybody ....
...
So just to clarify .....This isn't discussion board?
Why post this? Informing community.

[basicart]

Sorry but IMO that is complaining

[vguerin]

.......... Odd, got hung up... double post

[vguerin]

As is typical... No matter what guild a player like Tooken is in, they are gonna have problems... I saw this problem child in action myself several times now. I still have alot of respect for Infinity and their stand on many things... Too bad they draw more flies than dung resin...

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[8bear8]

LoL DT. You have never liked me and i have never liked you. I stopped liking you when I was in your guild and you yelled at a team that was all melinoe for nerfing the xp to like 2500. You yelled at us the left the team saying forget this. Thats when i lost respect for you.


Tooken (used to be Fwuffy and Flyingferret)

[d29565]

When I first started this game, people weren't rude to one another as they are now, as most are being on this thread right now. I wonder what has taken place, what exactly set in motion this new phase of rudeness? Did you know that some people wont even let their kids play with them anymore because of how ignorant some people are in game now?
I know that there are people that I used to respect and even look up to when I was a newb, but now-they've all become jerks. I can understand the killing in PR, it is a pvp area. But, from experience, I have seen people from the guilds which do most of the pvping laugh people they have killed, and make fun of them. How immature. (Not real sure where this connects in this thread, I know it does somewhere though. Just thought I would add this little bit. Somehow, I predict negative posts from this..dont know why tho.)

[zyryx]

To add on to Fyrx's statement....

Here is how I see it.

Some high-level playres who are very much in support of PvP
don't appreciate that Booster or any other one-man guild is getting
the Sup's, because that means they can't have them. They are saying
that booster "should" not be doing this, that is is "selfish" etc...etc...etc...

Well, you got some right, some wrong.. Infinity has nothing against pvp. Personally (Does not reflect the entire guild, I think) I love pvp. I've always PvPed when I got the chance and had a valid reason to. We might not appreciate Booster getting the mats, merely because we want them and we've got the firepower to get them. THere's nothing wrong with being a 1 man guild. You get to horde all the mats you get for yourself only, but you can't get all your guildies together to fight for a supernode. We can. Thus, we get our guildies together, and fight for the supernode tooth and nail. (Aggro dragging not included, sold separately.) The downside is, we have to supply all our guildies with all the amps and stuff from getting those mats. Basically, we've got the power to fight for it because we're not 1-man guilds. But, we don't get to get everything solely for ourselves.

Now on other threads, and in conversation, I've heard these
members say that in PvP zones, they will kill anyone they want, because
"they can". They say, "it's a PvP zone, they devs made it like this for a reason, if you don't
wanna be killed, dont enter the PvP Zone. Its that easy.",
I've also heard members of their guilds say that they kill peeps in PvP areas cause "it's the
only thing to do at our levels." They do not care about anyone else but
themselves, is that not "selfish" like they are accusing booster".


Again, some right, some wrong. HOwever, some of your quotes, while maybe accurate, do not reflect the entire guild. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Brithlem would not drop anyone in PR without a reason. Some other members we have had in the past would go down into PR and just drop whomever just because they could, and they would say some of the things you have quoted.

As far as "the only thing to do at our levels".. that sort of makes sense. PvP is the only other thing to do in the game after you've leveled and ground out a bunch of stuff. So you can do various things, participate in various events, etc.. But grinding is grinding, and eventually you get bored of it..

The Booster selfish thing.. No, Booster is not selfish. If anyone is selfish, it's Infinity. We're selfish because we can be, and we can get the best stuff. Sure, sounds like I'm shooting myself in the foot, by saying we're selfish, but if oyu think about it, killing for the best mats is nothing but being selfish.


I've even brought up the argument that because you "can" do something, it doesn't
always mean you "should". These players have shot me down with statements
like I need to get off my high horse etc..etc...etc... (now i see some of them or their
guildmates using the same "should" arguments agains Booster.

Because you can drag 7 najabs on someone's packer, doesn't mean you should.

Because you can kill steal Madakoo, doesn't mean you should.

Because you can kill someone in PR, doesn't mean you should.

Aye, I agree. just because you can do soemthing, doesn't mean you should. Sure you can, but if you've got no valid reason, or even ANY reason at all, however petty, you look like an idiot.



To sum it up they told me:

"I'll play how I want, and if it bothers you, then get over it! I pay my monthly
fee the same as you!"

It appears to me that these players are all fine about doing what they want,
when they want, regardless of what other people think.
Now that someone is impeding on their game-play and how they like to play,
(i.e. taking the sup mats for a 1-man guild and selling them) they are all mad
and upset about it....

Well, I'm overjoyed to say this....

"Booster can play how he wants, and if it bothers you, then get over it! He
pays his monthly fee the same as you!"

(I am not saying that I agree with Booster's play style, I just think it is important to point out this observation.

In effect.. the ground rule is: I pay for it, I play how I want. That applies to everyone who plays the game. Booster can play how he wants, you can play how you want, and I'll play how I want.

Just because Booster plays how he wants doesn't make me get all upset or annoyed about it..

All in all, I generally try not to cause people undue griefing, but because I'm part of Infinity, I will support my guild before I support other people.

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Freakin typed a book :rolleyes:

Respectfully,

[vinnyq]

kudos to Z for that post.

You can kill me, just don't be a jerk about it ;)

(not you as in you Z, you as in the general you)

[brithlem]

Sorry for replying to this post so late in it's lifespan... for one.... I've been busy all week.

That aside...

Booster... the Vorax was accidental... though I'm not going to say when we saw you coming ventrilo didn't light up with "Do we really have to kill Booster" debate... most of us like ya... we did try to rez after we killed the vorax... just didn't get there in time.


Morg... we didn't dig any excel amber... because we asked you not to dig any supreme... only when did you go after supreme ... after we asked you not to... did we hit you.


Fyrx... well said as usual.


DT... Took's not Infinity "no-mo" ... so it would seem the flies migrated.


Think that hit most of the major points....

[szoszi]

Just a question Brithlem

From the screenshot:

"Zyros tells you: because frankly, it's not a very good reason -if we just randomly killed you for no reason, then sure you might have declare a war, but sine we would kill you only to protect the resources we were harvesting from others... heh"

For me that means two things:

- you think others should not declare war because of this

and the more important:

- you won't declare war if someone kill your diggers (after warning of course)

Am I right?

Actually I'm glad that Infinity worked out this policy, it's correct and brings life into the game. I'm not glad the game doesn't support this kind of policy as levels are too important and small guilds can't stand against big ones.

Ah, a small thing: I will stop to rez Infinity members from now on. Perhaps doesn't count at all but I want to show that I don't support homins who kill other homins.

Take care,
blondy

*EDIT* some spelling mistakes

[caitiff]

I am not going to say much at all except about the small guild vs. large guild. Yes, we are a stronger guild. Obviously he is a smaller guild. What stops him from allying w/ another smaller guild or whatever? Friends can help as well ;) {edit: by no way am I trying to say he doesnt have friends, read it over again and saw it could be taken wrong ;P}

[putterix]

Can anyone explain this for me,

When u enter lands of umbra it says:

Guild PvP Are, here guilds can confront eachother.


It doesnt say, here u can kill innocent diggers.


Hope all ya crazy grifers leave ryzom zoon

[brithlem]

Exactly... if you see me in a PvP zone.... and I'm digging something you want... i fully expect you to drop (or try to) me. Will i hold a grudge... perhaps... will i drop you later... perhaps....

All depends how things happen...

We want the supreme mats... and are pretty sure everyone else does too.... if you have more / stronger / more organized people on than us.... bring it. We welcome the challenge.

We get upset when people stand in Zora and spam region with "Infinity sucks" ... declares war on us... eat our children... kicks us in the Q120 family jewels.... that kinda stuff.

[brithlem]

Can anyone explain this for me,

When u enter lands of umbra it says:

Guild PvP Are, here guilds can confront eachother.


It doesnt say, here u can kill innocent diggers.


Hope all ya crazy grifers leave ryzom zoon

What's innocent about digging?

You supply weapons and armor for people that might eventually want to hurt me, my friends, or my allies.... same idea as taking out a supply chain in times of war. If you want to dig in a LvL 200 roots with no PvP Nevraux has supplied you with one in the Abyss of Ichor...

Griefing....
1. Read the warning when you enter the zone.
2. This thread has nothing to do with griefing... it's about guilds / individuals fighting over something important.... not just killing for the fun of it.

[cygnus]

DT... Took's not Infinity "no-mo" ... so it would seem the flies migrated.




Well at least something positive seems to have come out of all this.... :P

[putterix]

What's innocent about digging?

You supply weapons and armor for people that might eventually want to hurt me, my friends, or my allies.... same idea as taking out a supply chain in times of war. If you want to dig in a LvL 200 roots with no PvP Nevraux has supplied you with one in the Abyss of Ichor...

Griefing....
1. Read the warning when you enter the zone.
2. This thread has nothing to do with griefing... it's about guilds / individuals fighting over something important.... not just killing for the fun of it.



Did u know Sweden is a neutral country, but it sells ****loads of weapons lol

[sprite]

Did u know Sweden is a neutral country, but it sells ****loads of weapons lol
Yes. Yes I did. Same as the Swiss.

[hans1976]

Yes. Yes I did. Same as the Swiss.
But do the Swede make watches as well?

Anyway, apart from the silly flaming here and there, this thread nicely show the various point-of-views possible in *any* conflict.

You see, in the end it is all about respect. I respect the way you play your game, please respect the way I play mine. With respect mixed in, almost anything is possible especially during war or some smaller conflicts.
The only thing that is completely disrespectfull is taunting someone you killed, calling them names.

So without calling me names, I agree with Fyrx. Feel free to kill me in a PvP zone, I know the risks. To add a comment from Blondy, be prepared for the consequences. As respectfull as they may be, you might not like them.

I think this community largely consists of adults, behave like adult. Kill each other i a respectfull way.

For illustration a small link, but I would like to warn for profanity. Dont go here (http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19) if you might be offended by humor that knows little boundries. (at the time of writing, they seemed to have a server error, check again soon)

[norvic]

Sorry but i think Killing individual diggers to protect your interests in Sup nodes is a form of Greifing, its not a guild confrontation, its self serving self interest, to the detriment of others trying to play the game and you should be prepared to be criticised for this.
I am not against PvP but unprovoked killing of solo diggers is not gonna drive the game forward.

[basicart]

I think digging in a PvP zone for easy mats and expecting not to be killed is a form of exploiting

[michielb]

I think digging in a PvP zone for easy mats and expecting not to be killed is a form of exploiting

I think you need to think harder...

[toneh]

well if anything, posts like this make reading the forums more fun while bored at work :D

I think protecting an area for sup mats is valid, until a bigger comes along and knocks them off, or of course you hire people to protect you while digging :D

Isnt that how outposts going to work? (in respect to forage) own one, and then you'll have areas to dig that are yours until someone bigger comes along and takes it off you?

[michielb]

When I first started this game, people weren't rude to one another as they are now, as most are being on this thread right now. I wonder what has taken place, what exactly set in motion this new phase of rudeness? Did you know that some people wont even let their kids play with them anymore because of how ignorant some people are in game now?
I know that there are people that I used to respect and even look up to when I was a newb, but now-they've all become jerks. I can understand the killing in PR, it is a pvp area. But, from experience, I have seen people from the guilds which do most of the pvping laugh people they have killed, and make fun of them. How immature. (Not real sure where this connects in this thread, I know it does somewhere though. Just thought I would add this little bit. Somehow, I predict negative posts from this..dont know why tho.)


PvP happened....

That and the fact that some people with a severe lack of imagination have hit the lvl cap in several (combat) skills for some reason leads to what could be considered grief killings.

In one of the other "PvP threads" someone said the being killed in SoR (or any other computer game..) doesn't hurt anyone but he was wrong...
When you play a game you usually have a goal so when PvP isn't your goal, or not what you're after at this moment getting killed will prevent you from reaching that goal. In other words: by killing people in PvP zones you have become an obstacle for those who are there for other reasons than PvP.

Now if everything was "fair" all of this wouldn't be much of a problem but things aren't fair now are they? The lvl difference will give certain players an advantage over others and PvP isn't fun when you are being nuked to death by a AoD while you're say... lvl 150. People tend to get upset when they feel they are treated unfairly (there's the "hurt") and they tend to get angry at the people who treated them thus. Now you could say that there's no difference between being killed by a Vorax and a player but there is a player chooses to kill, the vorax just follows it's program. PvP is personal even if the player doing the killing is following the same kind of narrow minded "programming" as the vorax (it's a PvP zone: accept the risks or stay away...)

The "hurt" of being killed in a PvP zone would be less if there was a good reason for it and if it was done with respect towards the "victim" but some people don't see the need for either. I think most (if not all) people would get angry if they were PK'ed for no good reason and then mocked by their killer...

In short: things get out of hand because of a few short sighted selfish people who care about nobody as long as they are having fun regardless of how their behavior effects others and ignorant of the possible long term effects of their behavior... (griefers can kill an MMO...)

[basicart]

Aya Outposts ganna have the same peeps whining i think TBH and thats like there big selling point

[michielb]

Griefing....
1. Read the warning when you enter the zone.
2. This thread has nothing to do with griefing... it's about guilds / individuals fighting over something important.... not just killing for the fun of it.



Lets get a few things straight before supidity takes over....

Griefing: an act, action, or communication that is technically legal under the rules of the game (as implemented and enforced in software), but is disruptive to the game experience of others.

http://www.skotos.net/articles/guestvoices2.phtml

I'd say killing harvester could be considered griefing according to the definition metioned above

Wikipedia:
Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players. A Griefer is a kind of Snert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snert)

[basicart]

But we are only fighting over sups i really do think alot of ya gonna be cofused with Outposts i cant wait :D

[szoszi]

Btw, did Infinity try to protect their sources before they became Avatar of Everything? :p

bye, blondy

[norvic]

I think digging in a PvP zone for easy mats and expecting not to be killed is a form of exploiting

Killed maybe but to call digging for mats exploiting is abit far fetched, but ganking is greifing this thread is not about a one on one incident, and this has nothing to do with outposts which you seem to keep mentioning am i am looking forward to outpost battles, being ganked in the roots is a seperate issue

[basicart]

So ya think digging in a PvP zone (which they removed Patrols out of to make it vastly easyer) and demanding everyone to leave to alone is not exploting the system?

[szoszi]

Hunting somewhere and expecting to be rezzed if you die is a kind of exploiting you mean Basic? :p

bye, blondy

[basicart]

? where ya get that from

[michielb]

So ya think digging in a PvP zone (which they removed Patrols out of to make it vastly easyer) and demanding everyone to leave to alone is not exploting the system?


Wikipedia:

Exploit (online gaming)
A bug that could be taken advantage of which causes an effect that results in the exploiter or other players to experience an unintended loss or gain.

*sigh* do I have to do all the thinking for you people?

[basicart]

Thats why i said exploting the system not a bug dumb dumb :D

[norvic]

I am not demanding anything the removal of the partrols etc is also a game balance issue and not the discussion on this thread.
All i have said is that i view the statement of a group of people that they will kill solo players because of a difference in gameplay in my mind amounts to a statement of intention to Gank, which is greifing.

[basicart]

yes thats just your opinion as i have mine that demanding not to be killed is exploting the no patrols pvp system

[roninpvp]

Thats why i said exploting the system not a bug dumb dumb :D

You gonna bring out the exploiting card in this thread when your defending infinity's stance? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[michielb]

Thats why i said exploting the system not a bug dumb dumb :D

What system you mean? The game? The human mind?

asking someone (no demands were ever made since no one has the power to enforce them...) to please please leave you alone when you are trying to have fun in your own way is not exploiting any system, it's a request.

[basicart]

No im defending mine Sin

[basicart]

What system you mean? The game? The human mind?

asking someone (no demands were ever made since no one has the power to enforce them...) to please please leave you alone when you are trying to have fun in their own way is not exploiting any system, it's a request.

They can go Dig in Ichor, WL or US they know the risks when they enter a PvP zone as do we all. It all comes down to its there choice to leave you or kill you same as its your choice to dig in PvP zones or in the other zones.

[michielb]

They can go Dig in Ichor, WL or US they know the risks when they enter a PvP zone as do we all. It all comes down to its there choice to leave you or kill you same as its your choice to dig in PvP zones or in the other zones.

Who died and made you king?

[basicart]

lol so its ok to have your opinion but i cant have mine eh? lmao

[iphdrunk]

not my business, and I shouldn't post this :) but forrums are not chats :D

I know, I know, I should have refrained from posting, I am chatting myself

[basicart]

Thats ok Ani i forgive ya :D

[michielb]

lol so its ok to have your opinion but i cant have mine eh? lmao


Having an opinion is one thing Basic but forcing that opinion onto others is something else...

[basicart]

Which is what you are trying to do

[pr0ger]

I really enjoy the Infinity'n'OmegaV Saga :D

I encourage any people to report here infinity activity for the sake of reading forum :)

fast on-topic : let's all kill on sight Infinity and omegav in PR and let's see how they will react :D
I hate dying (since i kinda feel the pain of my poor char falling down) and so i hate killing people too. From that point, I sentence evil policy of Infinity and will consider them as criminals now. you're pro-kami ? good! Jena will kick you =D

ps : do not bring the CoC, nevrax stuff, devs and so on into arguments. bear in mind you're acting into a virtual society, cope with that, dont try to justify nonsense using "external" arguments, it breaks the Saga mood :)

[michielb]

Which is what you are trying to do

How Am I forcing you? Am I twisting your arm? Am I holding a gun against your head? How could I force you to do anything? I'm behind my computer and you behind yours. All I can do is tell you how I see things and try to convince you.
I could force you even if I tried...

[basicart]

How Am I forcing you? Am I twisting your arm? Am I holding a gun against your head? How could I force you to do anything? I'm behind my computer and you behind yours. All I can do is tell you how I see things and try to convince you.
I could force you even if I tried...

By whining on the forum and flaming people

[michielb]

By whining on the forum and flaming people


And you have been doing.... what?

[basicart]

And you have been doing.... what?
On the defence :D


Look i respect ya not wanting to PvP and i may kill you for sorces or i may not depending what it is. I would give alot of warning first thats for sure so you would be able to move on or not or call in all ya allies n kick my butt or not. Was digging with Booster other day and did i gank him? no, cos its a choice not a rule.

[sehracii]

For illustration a small link, but I would like to warn for profanity. Dont go here (http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19) if you might be offended by humor that knows little boundries. (at the time of writing, they seemed to have a server error, check again soon)
Since they still seem to be having an error, here's a cached version for everone:
Here (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:hw-0wIrIrQQJ:www.penny-arcade.com/view.php%3Fdate%3D2004-03-19+http://penny-arcade.com+2004-03-19&hl=en)

[michielb]

On the defence :D


Look i respect ya not wanting to PvP and i may kill you for sorces or i may not depending what it is. I would give alot of warning first thats for sure so you would be able to move on or not or call in all ya allies n kick my butt or not. Was digging with Booster other day and did i gank him? no, cos its a choice not a rule.


*calls for a truce* :D

I think we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[brithlem]

I encourage any people to report here infinity activity for the sake of reading forum :)
"Infinity" capital "I"...

... and ... this idea seems ... to me ... to be already well in place. If we're not getting press for one thing it's for another...

Any press is good press,

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200935#post200935

[sylvanos]

"Infinity" capital "I"...

... and ... this idea seems ... to me ... to be already well in place. If we're not getting press for one thing it's for another...

Any press is good press,

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?p=200935#post200935

Hrmm wrt to the original topic (i'm not even sure which is original now) and the very polarized views that have surfaced on this thread regarding Infinity's policy in PvP areas, I do like the policy as stated by Bri. Of course, its hard to regulate a guild like Infinity so i suppose those who's activities do not support guild policy will be sent packing? The more power a guild has, the more carefully it should be managed, and altho i don't know Bri too well, I respect him from the little I know.

That was another thing brought up. Respect. Respect for toher players and the way they play the game, but also respect for the game itself. Are you playing the game as it was intended to be played? Sups are hard to get for a reason... imagine a parallelism with ... i dunno, diamonds or oil in real life. Tension resulting in conflict will always spark a scramble to control these resource centres. Although, respect will moderate what action is taken in the circumstances provided.

I don't like the pre-emptive strike policy (u get sups to craft weapons for our enemies) outlined by one of the Infinity members previously. Unless a link can be substantiated, ie. there is a guild alliance known, players observed trading verbally on chat channel, then a pre-emptive attack is something i would consider griefing.

However, i love to role-play, but moreso i love to role-play within the game context. If i get killed harvesting sups (eheheh, when i get to that lvl in 2 months) because i'm from a guild with bad relations with Infinity, then ok. I'll live with it. Why? Because i probably WAS going to give it to people who could harm Infinity. If i was neutral, i'd expect to go in, not get killed, harvest my own mats, and then sell them for high prices to the best bidder, because that is how it works in the real world.

IMO saying getting killed while harvesting is a form of griefing doesn't cut it. I don't think Nevrax intended us to play the game so we could see who was the most powerful, or who could level fastest, or who can flood the market with the most crafts under their name. Think about it, if its in your capacity, eheheh. U may find some interesting answers.

ANd as for 1-person guilds, maybe there are some people who hoard. OR maybe there is a percption that they hoard =) because they don't supply YOU or anyone you know with their crafts. Well, maybe what they DON'T want is dapper? Maybe what these people are really looking for is recognition? Recognition from other players that they are good crafters, that they are apssionate about what they do, and that crafting is most of their life in-game. Give them the recognition they have earned and maybe they might not be as tight to you as they are generous to others.

Brawn can only achieve so much in this game. There is a whole other social aspect, lying in the chat channels, which i feel still remains largely unexplored.


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And then again, i MAY be commenting out of my depth, but having played since beta, having seen the little kiddies with big temperaments come and go, having seen the players level hard become big shots thinking they know everything and trying to say they're right... well, like Keiko said.... the game has degenerated. We have a community of people each thinking they're right and not willing to change because THEIR way is best. Kudos to you guys, but, don't corrupt the new players. I want to keep some spirit in the game.

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Mysstri - lvl55 social zorai ditz =)

(*Project Mayhem*)

[asaseth]

All i have said is that i view the statement of a group of people that they will kill solo players because of a difference in gameplay in my mind amounts to a statement of intention to Gank, which is greifing.
Actualy, there was no mention of killing only solo players. What was stated is that we will kill ANYONE while defending the area. Doesn't matter if they are solo, or an armed force bigger that ours. Granted, the armed force stands a better chance of killing US befor we can kill THEM, but with the sups, it boils down to a 'king of the hill' type thing. If you want to get us off the hill, team with a friend or two, come at us from multiple angles, hit us from behind, what ever. Just don't think this stance is against just solo players.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
"I finaly get my first skill above 100, and it's healing. Second, digging. Does it look like I'm going to be dropping anyone in roots any time soon?"

[rushin]

So what to say?

Nice post Mysstri is an easy start i guess ;)

The thing that really excited me about Ryzom at the start was the community. I've played a few other MMOG's and got shot at/abused just walking past camped area's, i came here and when digging in the roots people would come up and ask if it was ok to dig with me, or see that someone was on a spot and go elsewhere. amazing! made me all glowy and fuzzy inside and turned me into a ryzom lover (read fanboi Basic)

Looking at it logically things have changed for a few reasons i think.. the server merge, bored high level players and outpost/PvP focus. Nothing anyone can say will change this, the friendship and gentle attitudes that once everone on Arispotle had have gone and will never return. It's a fact we all have to live with and look back on the good old days with a tear in our eyes. As the dev's push conflict and more uber guilds come into being this anomosity will increase. The powerful will always crave more power and control its the way of the world - real or virtual. It shouldn't stop people having fun though, 'tis just a game.

[vguerin]

I am having folks from OmegaV tell me they are allied with Infinity...

This is a big big big problem for me...

I know Moonbeams never had any standards and could see her teamed with an Infinity member since she is prolly a mole... But wow, I am so shocked that a guild I trusted allies with Kami Lovers...

Jena cannot be happy with this turn of events... Either players need to be booted from OV or I am going to have to believe this is true...
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[sofiaoak]

Just because some place is open PvP area, does not mean people should attack other players without reason. Also inventing reasons for attacks, isn't that good.

Examples, some invented reason:

- We own this "public" material resource. If You wanna it, fight for it.
- I'm roleplaying evil now, because it fits my needs at the moment.
- Someone is in open PvP area.

So what's good reason for attacking someone. (Every situation other(s) knows reason why You are attacking him).

- You are at war with someone(s), declare of war.
- Someone does someting what You don't like and does not stop it even when asked. (Kill steal, material node steal or what ever).
- You roleplay someting and You are publicly known as doing it. (Roleplay a outlaw, criminals or what ever).
- You own some "place" and are defending it or as part of game design, expanding You territory. (You can't own public areas).

These where just examples.

As for Infinity. It seems to me that they have take role to play outlaws (roleplaying or not). This is because attacking harvester(s) in public area when they/he/she where first there, is criminal action, as they haven't declare war against this/these people. Of cause as we know it now, then it's public know issue and then it becomes part of they ways.

So I don't see any issue or problem here. But I think guild or induviduals should publicly declare where they stand, before actions like this happens. I think this was also someone else point here as asking where the guild stand as now.

[mmatto]

Claiming ownership of certain supreme spots in pvp areas seem to me perfectly ok and exactly what is intended. I just hope that more powerful guilds would do that also and give Infinity a hard time. Otherwise Infinity gets sups too easily.

Another thought: Even if owning supreme spots is good reason to kill other PR harvesters, it may not be that good idea to kill homins that have lots of powerful friends. Kind of risking chance to lose much more than gaining few more sups would get you. But it is game and extra risk taking will make it more interesting :)

[sofiaoak]

Claiming ownership of certain supreme spots in pvp areas seem to me perfectly ok and exactly what is intended. I'm not sure that this was actually intended. It seem to me be more like a side effect of been PvP zone. Just because someting is possible it does not mean it should be done nor it means that it should not be done. Common sense is all what is needed.
I just hope that more powerful guilds would do that also and give Infinity a hard time. Otherwise Infinity gets sups too easily. It could provide some PvP opportunity for those who wanna. Like who has a flag. Some others may not care at all about the situation, like attitude who cares.

[szoszi]

"Infinity" capital "I"

flame on
You've just made me write infinity with small i forever.
You've started now accept the consequences.
flame off

[zippo123]

Can i get a management summary on this thread?

[omsop]

I know Moonbeams never had any standards and could see her teamed with an Infinity member since she is prolly a mole...

Cool Moles, i am going to submit a Suggestion ticket in for them, i think they would be fun to hunt, Supreme Moles randomly pop outta the ground & then we Nuke em. :p

[omsop]

Can i get a management summary on this thread?


the Management cannot be help liable for any item you lose in this thread or any damage to your clothing,, you have entered this thread at your own risk.



please leave a substantual tip when leaving this club as i pay minimum wage here.

[ariwen]

Claiming ownership of certain supreme spots in pvp areas seem to me perfectly ok and exactly what is intended. I just hope that more powerful guilds would do that also and give Infinity a hard time. Otherwise Infinity gets sups too easily.

Another thought: Even if owning supreme spots is good reason to kill other PR harvesters, it may not be that good idea to kill homins that have lots of powerful friends. Kind of risking chance to lose much more than gaining few more sups would get you. But it is game and extra risk taking will make it more interesting :)

The problem I see with this idea.

1) Its against the codes to steal kills, it should be against the code to steal harvestable mats that no one else can get.

2) What about smaller guilds that have higher lvl digger/fighter, but not enough manpower to keep up with the big guilds powers.

these 2 things create more imbalance in the game.

[basicart]

they should all team up and fight back :D

[omsop]

they should all team up and fight back :D


yeah you all team up & fight back.....

while i dig the sups :p

[totnkopf]

1) Its against the codes to steal kills, it should be against the code to steal harvestable mats that no one else can get.


Its not in the CoC, regarding kill stealing. Technically it is legal to do. Was in another thread a while back, but all the Aen incidents, they have no resolve since kill stealing isn't in the CoC, and therefore, isn't something the guides/GMs can enforce.

[mmatto]

The problem I see with this idea.

1) Its against the codes to steal kills, it should be against the code to steal harvestable mats that no one else can get.

2) What about smaller guilds that have higher lvl digger/fighter, but not enough manpower to keep up with the big guilds powers.

these 2 things create more imbalance in the game.

Just the easiest supreme nodes are in pvp zones. There is lots of supremes in pve only zones.

[rrwfreak]

off topic: Holy Toledo this thread is still going!!!!

on topic: Forgot what I was going to say, so I'll go get another beer. That should help me remember................ ;)

[brithlem]

Just the easiest supreme nodes are in pvp zones. There is lots of supremes in pve only zones.

Well said!

If PvP in a PvP zone.... over the mats that the zone was changed to PvP for gets this much attention.... then i'm looking forward to what happens when anyone does anything related to outposts.

[26101987]

Dont talk just act

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they should all team up and fight back

...

What ya gonna do for outposts ? Some time ago, when we had "for Guild member only" politic, and was impossible to buy anything - Booster started to sell stuffs for all, and helped for other crafters, by suplying exc/sup mats.

Whole guilds was supplyied by booster.

And i assume there is many guilds "half-active" atm(till outposts) or who dont want to show up in current thread, who will support/covering now, Booster.

You don't saw situation, which was there before servers merge, so i assume you dont know "Who is Who"..

Becareful picking enemies

"Infinity" capital "I"...Which? 2nd or 3rd?

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PVP ZONE!!! Yea... Don't forget to type "/who", Basic.2-man, 3-man, size don't matterYup yup.. Important is, how many guilds covering ur back.Why should i not play as i want and my guild go with out for the sake of a 1 man guild? 1 Man guild? What about OmegaX and alts like "Supreme"? What's difference? Just your main alt is another guild, but you still have secondary chars with GuildHalls and etc... im giving freeYou giving free supreme armours q250? or maybe from Kitin Larvae? At all - you even not able to buy good one Q250, and i'm pretty sure , more than half hilvl servers population wear now boosters armours, when your lower qlt stuffs wear only your guildies.. The rest of the diggers for infinity and OmegaV were just sitting together on a hillOh well... Enemies now are friends? Omega AND Infinity? That explain many strange things. Now i know answer, why Omega offered help for anyone who was in war with Infinity, but later rufesed, and now they togheter

[basicart]

LoL where to start....

Some time ago, when we had "for Guild member only" politic, and was impossible to buy anything - Booster started to sell stuffs for all, and helped for other crafters, by suplying exc/sup mats.

Whole guilds was supplyied by booster.

And i assume there is many guilds "half-active" atm(till outposts) or who dont want to show up in current thread, who will support/covering now, Booster.

You don't saw situation, which was there before servers merge, so i assume you dont know "Who is Who"..

Becareful picking enemies


I know who Booster is Just i want them Sup mats also :D if ya willing to fight with him cool but ya sure ya really want another guild gunning for yours? Thought Infinity KoO would of been enought for ya :D

Yea... Don't forget to type "/who", Basic.
Like many other people that dig PR i use a /who macro and spam it alot also i dig with 250m radar on so i wont be caugh with me pants down so to speak :D

1 Man guild? What about OmegaX and alts like "Supreme"? What's difference? Just your main alt is another guild, but you still have secondary chars with GuildHalls and etc...
Had to clear out Apt for Grinding mats made a Alt and guild for storage with Other people in it it so they can store and take out of it to im not the only member and i also use th toon as a low lvl healer for guildies (so hard to find a healer if ya starting out)
You giving free supreme armours q250? or maybe from Kitin Larvae? At all - you even not able to buy good one Q250, and i'm pretty sure , more than half hilvl servers population wear now boosters armours, when your lower qlt stuffs wear only your guildies..
Anything i have i give to guildies free. I can go Aen hunting if i need HA and i have some cool friends that will craft for me guild also for mats n help and such.
Oh well... Enemies now are friends? Omega AND Infinity? That explain many strange things. Now i know answer, why Omega offered help for anyone who was in war with Infinity, but later rufesed, and now they togheter

We used to fight alot, now we all cool you should try it :D (There still evil kami loving fools when playing RP mode)

Think thats bout it any more questions or whining just shoot me a tell and save ya self the flamage :D

[mostevil]

The problem I see with this idea.

1) Its against the codes to steal kills.


I just read it and i cant see where it says its against the CoC to steal kills.

[virii]

I just read it and i cant see where it says its against the CoC to steal kills.
Zella!!!! *hugs*

[grimjim]

I just read it and i cant see where it says its against the CoC to steal kills.

Kill stealing is amongst the reportable offences in the ticket system.

[totnkopf]

Kill stealing is amongst the reportable offences in the ticket system.

Its not. The only place you can find it mentioned is in the tickets window and I was told by a GM that it is there by accident. Kill Stealing is not against the CoC, and is legal. Since its not in the CoC, no GM/guide will enforce it/punish those who KS.

[michielb]

Well said!

If PvP in a PvP zone.... over the mats that the zone was changed to PvP for gets this much attention.... then i'm looking forward to what happens when anyone does anything related to outposts.


Come outposts the PvP areas in PR and Nexus will be closed, Brithlem and the rest of infinity will be turned into a kitin patrol doomed to roam the darkness for all eternity :D

[basicart]

All your Outposts are belong to us :D

[sx4rlet]

All your Outposts are belong to us :D

It's against the CoC to write bad english, Basic ;)

[michielb]

All your Outposts are belong to us :D


World domination includes outposts, you can't have em Basic they're mine, all mine!

[magick1]

It's against the CoC to write bad english, Basic ;)
Why I wrote it in Japanese (I hope). :D

[sx4rlet]

Why I wrote it in Japanese (I hope). :D

Hey, you are a zorai, you are allowed to do that :D