PR Digger Saved!

[lillaryn]

Today in roots, the Honda Accord officially performed its first duty to help Atys. As we saw a Vorax headed straight for Audrey, we kindly nuked her and killed her, to save her the DP. As we had be waiting on Supreme oil to pop for about 4 hours, this was definately not over nodes.

The Honda Accord's policy includes other kind services to aid the homins of Atys. These include helping other teams to kill their mobs so that they don't die, selling fine and basic HQ Amps at low pricing, overpricing grind mats so homins don't succumb to the evils of greed, making sure that Aen and various other bosses are NEVER up because they are a danger to Atys, pulling mobs onto other teams so that they can level faster, improving the roleplay environment with our own 'leet speek,' upholding the high esteem of the holy Leroy Jenkins, as well as others in this vein.

Should you need the services of the Honda Accord, please contact any member of Infinity or OmegaV.

Thank you kind homins, and I assure you the Honda Accord will remain vigilant in the protection and aid of all homins in Atys!!!

Sincerely,
Lillaryn - High Officer, Infinity

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/lillaryn/Screenie.bmp Click there to see the dramatic screenshot!

Also, The Honda Accord recently 'talked' to Varykoo about the greivous attacks on diggers. Lets just say that he may think twice for about 3 days before sending minions out of his lair :P

[uhuhu]

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[d29565]

Today in roots, the Honda Accord officially performed its first duty to help Atys. As we saw a Vorax headed straight for Audrey, we kindly nuked her and killed her, to save her the DP.

Hmm, couldn't you have let the *EDIT* VORAX!!! (happy now?) kill her, then rez her? That also would have saved a DP, just a suggestion. (Me likes Audrey) Also, a varnix couldn't kill a 'kitin' like Audrey.

[lillaryn]

If you had read the post correctly, you would realize that it wasn't a varinx, it was a VORAX. Nice reading, trooper. *Edit* (Thank you Keiko!!! Now you can bash us. Buh-bye!)

[randyval]

LOL gold:D

[fateress]

I get to put gas in the Honda Accord!!!

[lillaryn]

After the fight with the vorax, he thought we were so cool he decided to join our guild.....see screenshot ------> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/lillaryn/guildie.bmp

[szoszi]

I think a High Officer should behave.
infinity_reputation--

[magick1]

After the fight with the vorax, he thought we were so cool he decided to join our guild.....see screenshot ------> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/lillaryn/guildie.bmp
Wow, someone playing SoR on a ultra rare "3D" CGA card, maximum geek points. :D

[lillaryn]

Guess what kiddos......in case you didn't notice from the tone and the 'screenies'.....this is a joke. We're having FUN, lol. As for behaving.....when have we ever behaved? It's part of the game, yo.

Ok. So me and my vorax guildie are gonna go back to chillin now. He's runnin a 2/2 cp for me on my q60 dig, so I gotta get back to it :)

[szoszi]

Guess what kiddos......in case you didn't notice from the tone and the 'screenies'.....this is a joke.

I did notice. Do you think ministers tell jokes in public?
High position = high responsibility.

Seriously, atm i don't like Infinity. Not because their policy about PR supreme but because of their style they are expressing that policy. So, when I see a "joke" like that I think it's not funny but another action from Infinity affecting gameplay (means: you'll camp bosses too, not only supreme spots). Being a high officer gives stress to your words.

bye

[dazman76]

And please, it's Varinx not Varnix (even thought it's actually Vorax :))

I like this thread, because it excercises a somewhat twisted humour similar to my own :) I'm sorry, I'm evil and twisted and I can't do anything about it...

Honda Accord for teh win! (I also have to stop saying that)

[nexyn]

Am I the only one finding this post a bit fishy? If you look closely the vorax magically changes color in the two pictures posted. Is it, as I stated, magic or is Infinity perhaps employing the help of a whole bunch of voraxes?

Is that why I always get killed by those nasty critters down in PR? Or is it perhaps because Im the proverbial PR-tourist too busy gawking than watching my back?



And how do you do the plural thing with the word vorax?

[dazman76]

And how do you do the plural thing with the word vorax?

Hmm, difficult one :) I would say Vorax, but then I also use the term Kitin in plural - where Nevrax say "Kitins", which I think is wrong :) However, we should ask the Kitin(s) themselves to be really sure...

[nexyn]

However, we should ask the Kitin(s) themselves to be really sure...

Everytime I get close enough to ask they seem to get a little bit too friendly and it's all "claws on" from there. I don't mind the biting and scratching all that much, but you can't get a straight answer out of a kitin when it's busy ripping you to shreds. They're like children on Christmas Eve tearing into their presents.

[gaspode1]

Please pull two Voraxeses - no that can't be right

Please pull two Vorii - nope

Tell you what, please pull a Vorax - PS please pull another one

[basicart]

I did notice. Do you think ministers tell jokes in public?
High position = high responsibility.

Seriously, atm i don't like Infinity. Not because their policy about PR supreme but because of their style they are expressing that policy. So, when I see a "joke" like that I think it's not funny but another action from Infinity affecting gameplay (means: you'll camp bosses too, not only supreme spots). Being a high officer gives stress to your words.

bye

/Target Blondy
/Smack

Remember its a game and have fun with it.

[noceros]

Voraci? Voraces?

[holina]

And how do you do the plural thing with the word vorax?Vixen, VAXen, Voraxen?

Or it could be - like vertex/vertices - Vorax/Vorices?

[dazman76]

Do you think ministers tell jokes in public?

Yes, every time they appear in public. Have you ever known something a minister said to be 100% genuine? :) Ministers are generally jokes themselves.

For once (well, actually more than once if I'm honest :)) I agree with Basic - I'm hoping this thread doesn't become a copy of recent discussions, but there are alternative places to dig, and there are ways to avoid Infinity and OmegaV, if you try :) And before you say "we shouldn't have to", do as someone else suggested - treat people like you would a Kitin, and keep out of their way :)

I wish this talk of PR incidents would die down - it's best to sort it in-game, and everyone will get along better if you do, I feel. Although the humour used here is of an 'acquired taste', if it had been left as humurous it would have disappeared quickly and been of no interest or consequence after a couple of days.

[szoszi]

/Target Blondy
/Smack

Remember its a game and have fun with it.

Remember, there are different fractions in this game and we'r going to have politics... :p

[totnkopf]

someone needs to level up their sense of humor

[lillaryn]

Actually, when I was talking to my vorax buddy (his name is Whoopanamabutlhaaaaaaaana, but I call him Jimmy for short, in honor of my long lost Power Overlord Kipuker) and I think he said something about about it not mattering about plural and stuff.....but I had been sittin in sap lake for a while and I'm not really sure if all of this is real or not. So, I'ma go back to digging now.....and he's still cp'ing. buh-bye!


Lill

[uhuhu]

someone needs to level up their sense of humor
Please Morgaine.. when you're killed in Prime Roots.. i think you're not very happy. And i remember, long time ago, you complain about infinity in supernodes or so..

[vinnyq]

well, all I want to know is.

What is the joke to the punch line "My mistake, 4 coffins"?

:D

It's arrrrrggggh (like the pirate with the steering wheel attached to his crotch sed) ... driving me nuts.

[totnkopf]

Please Morgaine.. when you're killed in Prime Roots.. i think you're not very happy. And i remember, long time ago, you complain about infinity in supernodes or so..

I have been killed in the prime roots. and I didn't come here to whine about it either. and I've never complained about infinity guarding nodes. They've dropped me once for attempting to dig sup Zun. I wasn't angry at them for doin that. its part of the risk of diggin in the roots. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[vinnyq]

sorry for intruding, but I luv how "drop" became a common term.

I drop you! You drop me! droppidy drop drop drop drop!

[basicart]

sorry for intruding, but I luv how "drop" became a common term.

I drop you! You drop me! droppidy drop drop drop drop!

You drop me and ill do more then drop ya :D

[magick1]

You drop me and ill do more then drop ya :D
What are you going to? Bleed on me? :D

[keoni]

I've never complained about infinity guarding nodes. They've dropped me once for attempting to dig sup Zun. I wasn't angry at them for doin that.Interesting, Morg... a group attacks you, and you neither get mad, nor get even. How very... compliant of you.

[totnkopf]

Interesting, Morg... a group attacks you, and you neither get mad, nor get even. How very... compliant of you.
its called an understanding and being mature.

Infinity is not the only guild thats dropped me. Several other guilds, including the one I'm in now, has dropped me. but again, thats the risk of diggin in the a PvP zone. People seem to think that since they're wearing focus stuff that they should be off limits, so when they get killed, they come here and whine about it. if you don't want to run the risk of gettin killed, then don't go into those zones.

I notice you don't go into the roots very much, now do you...

[keoni]

I notice you don't go into the roots very much, now do you...In fact, I go to the roots in support of guild and alliance activities regularly.

[brithlem]

Multiple members of Infinity have dropped me in roots too... I feel for ya Morgy.

:::Shakes fist at... himself?:::

[basicart]

aya and me back in the day lol

[lillaryn]

In fact, I go to the roots in support of guild and alliance activities regularly.

In support of guild and alliance activites.....real brave Keoni.....to go with a group of others. At least I can respect Audrey for digging alone. You're just sad and cowardly :)

[keoni]

In support of guild and alliance activites.....real brave Keoni.....to go with a group of others. At least I can respect Audrey for digging alone. You're just sad and cowardly :)I don't go into PR alone, because I have no reason to. I'm not a PR digger. I'm a jeweler and a desert digger. I dig where I can dig 250q.

As for being cowardly - some might say that ganking diggers because you can is sad and cowardly. Some might say that the two guilds that really enjoy PvP allying with each other, rather than fighting it out for PvP supremacy, is extremely sad and extremely cowardly.

I'm one of those people. But if you mistook me for a pacifist... I'm sorry to inform you that you were mistaken. Cheers.

[lillaryn]

So....Audrey and I had a long chat the other night, after Basic dropped her. She and I settled it in a 1v1 duel, where we double KO'd twice, then she finally got a resist on me and she won. She also didn't rez me, and proceeded to call me 'low' in around after. I said it was a fair duel, which it was. Clearly between Audrey and me.

Also, since you dont even DIG PR, why the heck do you have an interest in this anyway? Why don't you (a) leave it to the people involved, or (b) take the original post as the joke as intended? You poking and prodding and sounding 'high and mighty' in every daggone post in this forum only makes things worse, ya know. Lighten up, and have some fun! It's a GAME. Not some real political struggle.

If you enjoy that, run for office in your respective government, and make some changes that actually matter!

Geez....to paraphrase a great movie "This is a game alright! We're supposed to be having fun!" (Bull Durham....go watch it!)

--Lil

[keoni]

Also, since you dont even DIG PR, why the heck do you have an interest in this anyway? Why don't you (a) leave it to the people involved, or (b) take the original post as the joke as intended? You poking and prodding and sounding 'high and mighty' in every daggone post in this forum only makes things worse, ya know. Lighten up, and have some fun! It's a GAME. Not some real political struggle. I'm involved, because the interests of my guild include an interest in PR. I'm involved, because your PvP-guild-alliance continues to gank and grief to provoke us. I'm involved, because I believe in the principle of "might *for* right" rather than your apparent creed - "might *makes* right"...

[lillaryn]

As for being cowardly - some might say that ganking diggers because you can is sad and cowardly. Some might say that the two guilds that really enjoy PvP allying with each other, rather than fighting it out for PvP supremacy, is extremely sad and extremely cowardly.


Ok, so another thing. Did you ever think that maybe Omega and Infinity allied because we have a lot of fun together and are friends on a more personal level? Man, you should hear us in Vent. We have the absolute GREATEST time hanging out. And no, ganking is not the biggest part of our day. Believe it or not, we dig, craft, and hunt together too.....and that's even MORE fun, because we wipe, we laugh, we win. You should try that sometime too. Might make your day a bit brighter, instead of trolling the forums as 'little miss queen.' Also, by saying that we should be 'fighting it out for supremacy' means that you condone wars! Yet all you do is rant about peace and innocence here? You should rethink your complaints and comments until you have some that sound less like a broken record and that make more sense :) :P



--Lil

[lillaryn]

I'm involved, because the interests of my guild include an interest in PR. I'm involved, because your PvP-guild-alliance continues to gank and grief to provoke us. I'm involved, because I believe in the principle of "might *for* right" rather than your apparent creed - "might *makes* right"...


INVOLVED??? LOL. I seriously doubt that replying to every post you deem unfit to your standards in a snobby way can be called 'involvment.' Try less words and more action if you feel that way. Stop hiding behind your tribe of packers and diggers and come on down! The only reason we pick on Audrey is because she's the only one in your little alliance that actually stands up for herself on occasion! It's actually a fight there, you're just furthering the struggle with this bull. Own up to some things, and FIGHT for what you believe, not just babble on some silly forum. To me, all that can be described as is 'pacifist,' as you firmly stated that you were not only a few posts before!

Again, you are sad and cowardly, and since you wish to hide, I will fight you here, seeing as this is the only way you'll confront anyone. Go dig dear, horde your 250 resist jewels, and never use them.

Maybe one day SOMEONE will convince you that this is just a game....and not some life - or - death struggle......

--Lil

[szoszi]

well, all I want to know is.

What is the joke to the punch line "My mistake, 4 coffins"?

You really need to watch more movies man. :p

[keoni]

Also, by saying that we should be 'fighting it out for supremacy' means that you condone wars! Yet all you do is rant about peace and innocence here? You haven't read what I've written very carefully. I am not a pacifist, I am working dilligently to help forge a powerful guild and alliance, with the full knowledge that power means nothing unless it is wielded.

Yet, I don't consider griefing or ganking to be fun - but apparently, a lot of your guild members do. You could, were you so inclined, play your little PvP games amongst each other, even while hanging out on ventrillo to rub in each kill. Happy happy, joy joy.

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

Personally, I find that sad and pathetic.

[keoni]

You really need to watch more movies man. :p To the undertaker: "Get three coffins ready"...
*blam* *blam* *blam* *blam*
"My mistake - four coffins"... --Fistful of Dollars :)

[totnkopf]

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

and you would like us to play your game. Your point can just be as easily used against you as it could be to prove it.

Now, Infin and OV had a war. They fought each other hard. They still duel for fun. But we also have other fun. I've not PKed anyone in the roots, but I'm still an OV member. I've spent my time with them hunting, assisting, and doing all that ON members do for their guild. All your demonizing of other guilds, you didn't really think it all the way through. Creativity? sure, we have tons. This thread for example takes a great deal of creativity on Lils part.

[lillaryn]

You haven't read what I've written very carefully. I am not a pacifist, I am working dilligently to help forge a powerful guild and alliance, with the full knowledge that power means nothing unless it is wielded.

Yet, I don't consider griefing or ganking to be fun - but apparently, a lot of your guild members do. You could, were you so inclined, play your little PvP games amongst each other, even while hanging out on ventrillo to rub in each kill. Happy happy, joy joy.

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

Personally, I find that sad and pathetic.


Actually Keoni, I read it quite carefully. You clearly contradicted yourself. You said that we should be fighting it out for supremacy instead of fighting others. That is cowardly, since you want us to fight each other instead of you. Also, by saying that we should be fighting, you condone war. By saying that you defend your guildies through words or actions but do NOTHING but respond to my posts on the forums proves that you have qualms about violence.....all the while you're content to play the provoker and further the conflict in hiding! You also say that you do not find ganking fun, nor do you enjoy the conflict directed at you, however it's fine if we do it between ourselves. There are many in history that have furthered and stirred up trouble such as yourself, while hiding behind the real people that get hurt. You can't play both sides my dear, and I'm calling you out on it.

Here's the deal once AGAIN on the 'ganking.' I'm sure you have forgotten, as you don't go to PR unless on some kind of event with your friends, you get this wonderful little message that says (and even counts the time down for you! wow!) 'You will be attackable in xx seconds.' At the end, its says, 'You are now attackable, be careful.' As for the repeated Audrey gankings, Audrey and I have spoken on this, and I even tried to meet her halfway on the language barrier, as I speak a little less French than she does English, and I'm fairly sure by the end of the conversation we understood each other. We have planned some other friendly duels in the future. (No Keoni haggling needed)

Also, exactly what is the difference between my alliance to having some fun in a game from you 'having some fun' verbally ganking us on the forums? It's the same thing. Yours can just actually hurt people, as words in a real-life forum are a little harsher than a game we all pay for to get away from our real lives.

Keoni, you ARE a pacifist. (see definition straight from Merriam-Webster online....Main Entry: pac·i·fism
Pronunciation: 'pa-s&-"fi-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French pacifisme, from pacifique pacific
1 : opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes; specifically : refusal to bear arms on moral or religious grounds
2 : an attitude or policy of nonresistance
- pac·i·fist /-fist/ noun ) If you can give me some real proof that you do not fit this definition of 'opposition to war as a means of settling disputes' please do so, as I would be happy to listen. However, from your comments in this forum alone, you have done nothing but remain 'textbook' to the definition.

Also, I would LOVE a list of how you are 'dilligently forging a powerful guild and alliance.' All I've ever seen you do is complain here and dig in-game.

While you're at it, please list the 'easy targets' we have victimized. The only few I have witnessed are Audrey (250 nuker and 200ish melee, and Morgaine, at the time about 235 nuke and not shabby in melee). These targets are all justified. We warned Morgaine, and we have made our peace and she's a great player. Audrey has verbally provoked me and my alliance mates on several occasions, so all fire directed at her is about as much her fault as any.

I'm all ears.....I hope that you actually TRY this time, :)

--Lil

[fateress]

To the undertaker: "Get three coffins ready"...
*blam* *blam* *blam* *blam*
"My mistake - four coffins"... --Fistful of Dollars :)


Google is awesome isn't it?

[kratos84]

I wish you would only understand your own words Lillaryn. Maybe in your twisted world dragging tons of aggro onto us in a non-PvP area means promoting fun, but I am not amused. And I don't imagine anyone would be. Though your childish behaviors you have achieved no more than ruining the fun for everyone you have come across with and pushing this game towards its demise. Not surprising hardly anyone likes your guild and what it is doing then, despite you allegedly being so bright, fun-loving and all in your innocent friendship.

Since you demand action from us, I am going to adopt the proposition here (http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16742) to shun your guild from my game and convince everyone I know to do likewise.

[brithlem]

I was shunned once.... it was FANTASTIC!

[lillaryn]

I wish you would only understand your own words Lillaryn. Maybe in your twisted world dragging tons of aggro onto us in a non-PvP area means promoting fun, but I am not amused. And I don't imagine anyone would be. Though your childish behaviors you have achieved no more than ruining the fun for everyone you have come across with and pushing this game towards its demise. Not surprising hardly anyone likes your guild and what it is doing then, despite you allegedly being so bright, fun-loving and all in your innocent friendship.

Since you demand action from us, I am going to adopt the proposition here (http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16742) to shun your guild from my game and convince everyone I know to do likewise.


When did I ever say 'innocent' fun? Heck we get down and dirty. Last I checked, I never got a 'cease-fire'. I was actually trying to rez someone, and realized that the guards were still popped, hit invuln and headed back for the portal. You all just happened to be there. I got 1mil dp tryin to help a guildie. Sorry that's the downfall of the game. I just didn't see it as that bad of an action, seeing that you all kept unsuccessfully pulling Aen and creating havoc in the general area. I've always liked you Chrono, and I guess now that I was wrong. Now I see it was no big loss. Have fun with your pacifist completely innocent alliance.

--Lil

[norvic]

Why must any thread with a PvP hint in it degenerate in this Fashion.
Although elements of gameplay by PvP types are at total odds to many others they are right about one thing in the fact that some areas of the roots are PvP areas.
What never ceases to amaze me is why they bring the worst elements of thier playstyle to these boards. IMO these boards are where people can express opinions and discuss topics, they are not areas for personal attacks, insults and goading.
Although in my opinion the actions of some guilds are detrimental to the game one of the guild leaders has managed to express his opinions without the need for insults or personal references and I wholeheartedly wish others could do the same.
Although it has been discussed and proved many times already that the majority of the playerbase in this game are against fully open PvP I would,nt want anyone to be denied a voice but just hope the Noisy minority would put a little more thought into their posts if they must drag this topic on.

[grimjim]

and you would like us to play your game. Your point can just be as easily used against you as it could be to prove it.

No, you see, here's the fundamental difference.

People of other play styles and inclinations CANNOT force you to play their type of game. You can however force them to your style of play. You can reduce their freedom and impede their fun and enjoyment from the game but they cannot do the same to you.

Organising any sort of armed response to the people ganking and killing willy-nilly in the PR only provides PKers with what they're after, rewarding bad behaviour.

Its not the same thing at all and it CANNOT be reversed.

[grimjim]

Here's the deal once AGAIN on the 'ganking.' I'm sure you have forgotten, as you don't go to PR unless on some kind of event with your friends, you get this wonderful little message that says (and even counts the time down for you! wow!) 'You will be attackable in xx seconds.' At the end, its says, 'You are now attackable, be careful.'

So long as people continue to gank and slay without regard to faction or the context of the background this defence of bad behaviour is meaningless.

[lillaryn]

Why must any thread with a PvP hint in it degenerate in this Fashion.
Although elements of gameplay by PvP types are at total odds to many others they are right about one thing in the fact that some areas of the roots are PvP areas.
What never ceases to amaze me is why they bring the worst elements of thier playstyle to these boards. IMO these boards are where people can express opinions and discuss topics, they are not areas for personal attacks, insults and goading.
Although in my opinion the actions of some guilds are detrimental to the game one of the guild leaders has managed to express his opinions without the need for insults or personal references and I wholeheartedly wish others could do the same.
Although it has been discussed and proved many times already that the majority of the playerbase in this game are against fully open PvP I would,nt want anyone to be denied a voice but just hope the Noisy minority would put a little more thought into their posts if they must drag this topic on.

This post is has 'degraded' into a discussion with myself and Keoni about our two guilds. I would really appreciate players 'chiming in' when they have no real place in any of this to just stop. You're welcome to read, but honestly, there are several posts about open pvp created by the devs. You can state your opinions there. Also, contrary to what many people believe here, I have no use in killing most players. Especially those who, I assume, like to craft and use rifles. Stop adding fuel to the fire and repeating what others have said just to hear your own voice, please. I'm trying to understand and get Keoni to TALK instead of repeating the same thing she's said in just about every post that I have read thus far.

Thank you.

--Lil

[lillaryn]

So long as people continue to gank and slay without regard to faction or the context of the background this defence of bad behaviour is meaningless.


Again, Jyudas, I would appreciate you fully reading every post. This conflict is between me and Audrey, and has developped into a conversation between me and Keoni. No one has 'uslessly' ganked anyone. Audrey has been rude and abnoxious to many players associated with me and my guild, and I will not stand for it. Please get your facts straight before commenting on something for which you have no reason to.

Thank you,
Lil

[norvic]

Lil this is an open thread not a chatroom between 2 players, I posted a general opinion and I thank you for your response as it clearly reinforces the point i was expressing :)

[lillaryn]

Lil this is an open thread not a chatroom between 2 players, I posted a general opinion and I thank you for your response as it clearly reinforces the point i was expressing :)


No sweetie, it only expresses that you don't know what's going on, and while your opinion is appreciated, it is not backed by the facts. Unless you know the parties involved a lot better than I think, I believe that you should do some research before you make a 'general' comment. This post was intended as a joke to lighten things up, but I was sorely mistaken when I thought that people who played this game had senses of humor. If you don't like PvP, I would suggest you strengthen your skills and participate and realize how fun guild battles are, or avoid it altogether. Some of us like it, and work hard to achieve our skills so that we can be effective. Either way, the choice is yours.

Also, as I expressed in good faith to one of your guild mates, being outspoken on the forums can be dangerous to your peaceful play experience. I personally would not do that to a player my guild/alliance is not at war with, but there are some who would. I mean this as advice, not a warning or a threat. I don't want to see more posts of truly innocent players griefed by others. None of the people our guild has allegedly done such things to were 'innocent' by any means.

Have fun, and if you need any help anytime, I'm always availible.

--Lil

[iwojimmy]

And how do you do the plural thing with the word vorax?

plural of Vorax is
/shout ADD!!!!

[norvic]

Not going to make any further comment here as i stand by my original post forum attacks are unecessary and pointless and detrimental.

[magick1]

This post is has 'degraded' into a discussion with myself and Keoni about our two guilds. I would really appreciate players 'chiming in' when they have no real place in any of this to just stop.
This is hilarious. No really, it is. Pot, meet kettle.
PvP> Anyone are allowed to attack each others. You push your "fun" at others.
Forum> Anyone are allowed to post replies to each others. You try to refuse others to post/join in.

You're welcome to read, but honestly, there are several posts about open pvp created by the devs. You can state your opinions there.
Thank you kind master for allowing this poor servant to uther a word ... somewhere else.

I'm trying to understand and get Keoni to TALK instead of repeating the same thing she's said in just about every post that I have read thus far.
Even more fun, concidering this earlier post

INVOLVED??? LOL. I seriously doubt that replying to every post you deem unfit to your standards in a snobby way can be called 'involvment.' Try less words and more action if you feel that way. Stop hiding behind your tribe of packers and diggers and come on down!

[magick1]

As for all the PvP threads lately, it clearly shows that PvP and non-PvP have a very long way ahead of it, before the two can mutually exist. And that the lack of understanding between the two will only excavate the cliff between them.
PvPers, could you please keep that aspect to those with an interrest in it or at least try to keep it non-personal and/or guild/fame/lore related?
Non-PvPers, accept that you can and will be killed in PvP areas, if you don't wish to be part of it, inform the PvPers that you have no interest and they might hear you out. Or just stay away from those areas if you can't accept PvP.

As for me, I will enter any PvP area under the assumption that PvPers will not attack me. And if they do, I will not fight back. There are far more interresting things out there, than fighting other homins.

[basicart]

If you think you want to be left alone in a PvP zone then dont go flaming PvP threads it just paints a big fat target on ya

[grimjim]

If you think you want to be left alone in a PvP zone then dont go flaming PvP threads it just paints a big fat target on ya

I think all anyone really wants is even a hint of understanding from the pro lobby as to why what's going on is bad and detrimental, how they're the only ones that can force the playstyle they like onto others and some sort of move towards a compromise or acknowledgement.

[asaseth]

Lien Chang,

あなたの基盤すべては私に属するある

what are the kanji characters? And how did you get the hiragana and kanji into 'cut and paste' form?


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[asaseth]

I think all anyone really wants is even a hint of understanding from the pro lobby as to why what's going on is bad and detrimental
Grim, I atleast, understand why and how what's going on is bad and detrimental, but you seem, at least to me, to persist in thinking that this PvP is a gank fest. After talking it out with Bri, with a fiew exceptions due to one or two that can at times be considered problem players, the people that Infinity has droped have been implicitly asking for it, ie. dragging things on us, not once, but time and again, or dropping us, or causeing other forms of the grief that others accuse us for. Please note that nowhere under that 'grief' is listed 'being in a PvP zone' So, what you are talking about is bad and detrimental, but what you are talking about and what I am talking about are two different critters.

how they're the only ones that can force the playstyle they like onto others That is not true. Non-RPers can also force their playstyle, or rather, deny others the playstyle that they want. Only, instead of magicaly or physicaly ganking, they verbaly gank, by purposly going into a piece of RP, and talking incessantly OOC, and not in region, where you can ignore it, but in around, or shouting, where you can't ignore it. Just look at any of the 'kittin morssel' events, and you will find them in abundance.

some sort of move towards a compromise or acknowledgement.You have had you acknowledgements in spades, in this topic and others. As far as a compermise, what do you propose? Other than 'don't' I haven't seen much of anything in that direction from non-PvPers.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[grimjim]

Grim, I atleast, understand why and how what's going on is bad and detrimental, but you seem, at least to me, to persist in thinking that this PvP is a gank fest.

I've heard a lot of talk here about how it isn't just a gankfest, but nothing in game or reported from in game to support that contention.

It IS entirely possible that the massively negative image of the pro-PvP guilds is down to a few problem children acting without the knowledge of the others in their guild but it stretches credibility to believe that this is the case in the face of so much upset, annoyance and out of hand killing going on.

I am not entirely against PvP but I want it to be supported by the lore or by the roleplay. I want it to make sense within the context of the game and our experience of it. Seemingly random attacks on foragers or others, relatively defenseless while digging, regardless of faction, race or alliance do not meet that very basic request.

It seems that the majority of PvPers are not doing it in any sort of context but just for the 'challenge' of wiping out an unprepared person trying to scrounge up a few materials. I don't see the reward in killfests of outmatched and unprepared people, but that's just me.

The other majorly negative parts are the crowing and smack-talking and the constant spamming with duel requests that goes on sometimes and there seems to be a total lack of acceptance that other people don't necessarily want to play that way and get nothing from it.

I/We can respect your wish to engage in player on player combat. Bully for you. Just don't bring it here outside of events and lore content, thanks very much.

That is not true. Non-RPers can also force their playstyle, or rather, deny others the playstyle that they want. Only, instead of magicaly or physicaly ganking, they verbaly gank, by purposly going into a piece of RP, and talking incessantly OOC, and not in region, where you can ignore it, but in around, or shouting, where you can't ignore it. Just look at any of the 'kittin morssel' events, and you will find them in abundance.

If someone is being verbally problematic during an event there is always the capacity to ignore them, either with a command or by simply ignoring them. You can't so easily ignore being blasted or attacked. It is possible to ignore comments, not being attacked.

You have had you acknowledgements in spades, in this topic and others. As far as a compermise, what do you propose? Other than 'don't' I haven't seen much of anything in that direction from non-PvPers.

No, there haven't been any acknowledgements that its a problem or any understanding how there can be objection even within an ostensibly 'open' PvP zone.

My ideal would be no PvP at all (outside of duels and designated arenas). PvP would only occur for set goals that promoted the story or in contested ground between factions, with, perhaps, an option for a neutral (completely non participatory in faction conflict) or bandit (outside of faction, attackable by anyone) options.

As things stand, until we get some sort of PvP flag I would _request_ the following from the pro PvP people.

1 - Only PvP with other people who enjoy PvP if you can at ALL help it.
2 - Otherwise please try to fit your actions within the RP and lore of the game. Attack people only from the opposing faction to yourself OR declare yourself bandits, make sure everyone knows it, acknowledge it, attack anyone and everyone and accept some IC censure.

I find PvP to be a completely pointless waste of time and the least engaging, involving or exciting part of the game at present. You can tell almost immediately how a fight is going to turn out and, as a melee expert (200+) my role is limited and underpowered, not even seeming able to disrupt castings by magi arond the same level as me. Team fights basically last until a healer presses the wrong button or one side gets bored or loses focus. Very little tactics, very little interest. Well done, you levelled more than me and in elemental, wheeeeeee.

If its fun for you, cool, it isn't for me. I keep trying, trying to get where the fun of it is and without a lot of dressing up and context it just seems like a pointless excercise to me. Give me a proper goal, fit it into the gameworld and it comes alive. Otherwise, its like Top Trumps, with levels.

[dazman76]

Google is awesome isn't it?

Indeed, those who seek knowledge should be burned and tortured, we all really want to be ignorant don't we? And bitter too I guess.

[kratos84]

Grim, I atleast, understand why and how what's going on is bad and detrimental, but you seem, at least to me, to persist in thinking that this PvP is a gank fest. After talking it out with Bri, with a fiew exceptions due to one or two that can at times be considered problem players, the people that Infinity has droped have been implicitly asking for it, ie. dragging things on us, not once, but time and again, or dropping us, or causeing other forms of the grief that others accuse us for. Please note that nowhere under that 'grief' is listed 'being in a PvP zone' So, what you are talking about is bad and detrimental, but what you are talking about and what I am talking about are two different critters.

If that's what you were told, quite simply put, you have been told a lie. People of way different alignments and play styles have been attacked by your guild while digging. If you have read your guild's official stance, any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed, and your trustworthy ally has kindly stated that anyone who is against PvP on the forum 'is painting a fat target' on himself. Surely you don't suppose the people who dig nodes you want and those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

As for compromise, it has been put forward times and again: those guilds that have expressed their love in unrestricted, non-faction based PvP can simply confront each other and leave others alone. So far I have seen two guilds taking this stance.

[caitiff]

If that's what you were told, quite simply put, you have been told a lie. People of way different alignments and play styles have been attacked by your guild while digging. If you have read your guild's official stance, any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed, and your trustworthy ally has kindly stated that anyone who is against PvP on the forum 'is painting a fat target' on himself. Surely you don't suppose the people who dig nodes you want and those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?


try reading this other thread, it appears you have passed over it somehow, http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16770

[caitiff]

I am not entirely against PvP but I want it to be supported by the lore or by the roleplay. I want it to make sense within the context of the game and our experience of it. Seemingly random attacks on foragers or others, relatively defenseless while digging, regardless of faction, race or alliance do not meet that very basic request.


Why can't you make it into a RP thing? So what if your attackers dont. You are the one PRETENDING everything that goes on in your game play. How come you can't RP your deaths? Or do you only know how to RP when you are not being killed by other homins. I don't understand why one can't RP a fight just because the other side isnt. Doesnt make sense to me... but then again maybe I am missing something here.

[caitiff]

Although it has been discussed and proved many times already that the majority of the playerbase in this game are against fully open PvP I would,nt want anyone to be denied a voice but just hope the Noisy minority would put a little more thought into their posts if they must drag this topic on.

Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

[asaseth]

If that's what you were told, quite simply put, you have been told a lie. People of way different alignments and play styles have been attacked by your guild while digging. If you have read your guild's official stance, any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed, and your trustworthy ally has kindly stated that anyone who is against PvP on the forum 'is painting a fat target' on himself. Surely you don't suppose the people who dig nodes you want and those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

As for compromise, it has been put forward times and again: those guilds that have expressed their love in unrestricted, non-faction based PvP can simply confront each other and leave others alone. So far I have seen two guilds taking this stance.
Roots diggers:
If we don't get along.... beware. If we're cool / don't know ya... you have nothing to worry about.

I can only think of one person we've actually dropped over a supernode.... her name will remain annymous as I don't feel it right to bring other people into a thread without their own consent.

We have dropped a guild on top of a supernode source before. But... and this is a big but... it was not over the mats.

Another player I won't bring into this without his consent and I were on our way to the super amber node... we got a great vorax add... spent 10 mins running about trying not to wipe but finally did. A player from the guild we dropped came over... looked at us... and left. So... when our guys came... we got our rez and dropped the other guild. Later the guild came back and dug supreme right next to us... we didn't touch them... they didn't touch us. We hit them because they left us for dead. Pretty simple. We could have dropped them when supreme was up... proof was in the fact that we dropped them 5 mins earlier ... we didn't because we felt that situation was over and were ready to move on.

Further... We've dug next to Melinoe, Omega, ON, Yoshi, KoO... the list goes on and on...

Large guilds that could perhaps whoop us... and small guilds / solo diggers that wouldn't stand a chance.

If you need someone to hate / fear... we're happy to be it... but if you actually look at what's being presented you'll realize the only people that need fear us already know who they are... and more importantly why. Well, gee wizz, Grim, while earlier I stated that view, I later appologized for being uninformed. Seeing as how this is the 'official reply' (from the topic of same name) and nowhere in there does it say any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed , it would appear that you are the one who is misinformed. As far as the trusted ally thing goes, I think that Basic was jokeing then. Seeing as how there has been no new topics about Basic going down in roots and ganking anyone that has been complaining or otherwise displaying displeasure of PvP on the forums, this is fairly accurate. *edit: sorry, though you were talking about another time Basic said this, nearly a week ago.*

those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers? No where in here or my previous post did I infer this. All the ones that I have herd of, both from Vent, guild channel, guild forum, guild website forums, and here, were draggers, gainkers them selves, or had declaired war on Infinity. Now, if you can find any instances of Infinity killing anyone that is not part of these, then please post them. The ones involving Lockheart don't realy count. Sometimes he is alright, but sometimes he is a bit troublesome. The ones involveing him require a case-by-case look.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[grimjim]

Why can't you make it into a RP thing? So what if your attackers dont. You are the one PRETENDING everything that goes on in your game play. How come you can't RP your deaths? Or do you only know how to RP when you are not being killed by other homins. I don't understand why one can't RP a fight just because the other side isnt. Doesnt make sense to me... but then again maybe I am missing something here.

Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.

[grimjim]

Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

You're still not getting it.

The root of the objection is that the pro-PvP camp are the ONLY gameplay faction with the ability to enforce their style of play, their desire, onto others against their will. Anything else is opt-outable. Don't say 'Well, you can steer clear of the PvP zones' because that's entirely irrelevent, especially when they contain gameplay elements, bosses, materials etc that have nothing directly to do with PvP. Then there's outposts, more content and advantage that comes with a bitter PvP aftertaste.

PvPers need to compromise because they're the ones with the ability to force their style of play onto others. They current have, wield and abuse that power in a consensus breaking fashion.

Most anti-PvPers will be happy to accept it in context and by the lore, that's the move towards compromise on their side. Is it SO hard to make that little bit of a concession?

[asaseth]

Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.I put an edit note on my post above. Sorry. As for this, if you can show me screen captures of anyone saying this carp while doing this, then please, put them up. In all the pvp stuff I have been in, I have yet to see this. Untill then, this is mearly blowing smoke.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
Sorry about the spirit of the post, but this is getting aggrivateing.

[grimjim]

I put an edit note on my post above. Sorry. As for this, if you can show me screen captures of anyone saying this carp while doing this, then please, put them up. In all the pvp stuff I have been in, I have yet to see this. Untill then, this is mearly blowing smoke.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
Sorry about the spirit of the post, but this is getting aggrivateing.

I have no screen caps but have encountered precisely this sort of behaviour on three seperate occasions - for someone who hardly ever goes to the PR and tends to leave the PvP events alone, that's more than enough.

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

[asaseth]

I have no screen caps but have encountered precisely this sort of behaviour on three seperate occasions - for someone who hardly ever goes to the PR and tends to leave the PvP events alone, that's more than enough.

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.
That I can understand, once bitten and twice shy.

Actualy, I am protecting my guild. The fact that there are problem players that use said intrusive playstyle, one ore two of them in my guild, is beside the point, or atleast the point in my posts.

I can respect the lack of public namecalling. The bit about posting is kinda a standard response. Every character I play has a bit of me in it, and one of my character flaws is trying to get information on a subject befor makeing a decision. Been more than a fiew times I have herd something, and then went to the parties involved and quiried them further about it to get to the bottom of the subject.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[norvic]

Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

You quote my words out of context, it is very true that the majority of the land is not open PvP, I am not personally or are many others complaining about the smaller part that is, I do have an issue with the tone and personal attacks outside of this area perpetrated by some people who enjoy open PvP.

I have been on opposite sides to Jyudas in the past in Kami/Kara events for instance but battle over move on, dont need to spam the forums with analysis attacks insults etc we share alot of the same ground just the storyline puts us on different sides of the fence.

I see these forums as a place for game issues storyline etc, PvP has a place in this game you cant have a beleivable land with a backstory and no form of conflict that just doesnt happen, well not in any existance we know of yet anyway and certainly not in a game but if some people want to play as Pychotics killing for no reason but they can or the flimsy excuse of protecting resources at least keep the agravation in the PvP areas of the game ie the roots, and dont bring the attacks onto the boards.

[brithlem]

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.
If you aren't namecalling... and truly want a "general" answer to this question... then why not start a thread about it? as opposed to only voicing your concern over this topic when Infinity is involved?

and as for protecting a play-style of people who run about yelling "noob" .... as I don't know anyone in my guild who talks like that ... I don't see where you get off putting that on us.


-Chrono...

The style / language of your posts shows nothing but maturity, intelligence, and composure... why is it the message behind the posts seems to be lacking these 3?


Do you all REALLY have nothing better to do than complain in the middle of a thread that was started as a complete joke??

:::This is a "Humor Zone" ... here guilds may laugh together... you will be a fair target of their humor in 30 seconds... be careful!:::

next thread topic:
Infinity is pushing humor on homins!

Quotes from said thread:
"... not only do they push humor on us... but they do so in a thread that is clearly a joke... it's impeding MY play style... god forbid I actually interact with other players in a way not 100% satisfactory to me..."

Lighten up,

[grimjim]

If you aren't namecalling... and truly want a "general" answer to this question... then why not start a thread about it? as opposed to only voicing your concern over this topic when Infinity is involved?

Learn.
To.
Read.

Additionally, oddly, these topics only seem to really come up in threads that involve infinity. Smoke, fire... I forget how the rest of that setting goes.

next thread topic: Infinity is pushing humor on homins!

Well, it wasn't very funny and was a hamfisted way to use humour to try and defend inexcusable behaviour by comparing apples and oranges and setting up a strawman argument. Besides that, not anyone's fault.

Now, how about addressing the proposals and comments rather than getting huffy and defensive?

[vinnyq]

I just want to throw something into the mess :P

I think Keoni is mainly mad because Brithlem "drop" Saranda (our guild leader) three times(?) already in the PR, without provocation on our part (waaaay before any of this escalate, and also because some of the attitudes of some former Infinity members (who has now moved on for KoO for some unknown reason).

To be fair keoni, I don't think the majority of the group that you're debating with, brith and friends, are those "gankers" type of pple. Except mebbe brith, but he can type coherent sentences, so I sorta like him :P

A few Infinity's also doesn't seem to be able to state their points without throwing some insults in there (:P x2)

You guys have a different of opinions, stop being mean to each others and leave each others alone already (:p x3).

[grimjim]

You guys have a different of opinions, stop being mean to each others and leave each others alone already (:p x3).

That's the crux of the whole conflict!

[vinnyq]

*kicks the crux out from under grim's feet*

I don't think you can ever resolve this conflict. It's sorta like the argument on gun control .... but ... LET'S NOT GO THERE.

*follows Infinity's advice*

LESS WORDS MORE ACTIONS!

*runs around*

take action!

*put the whole forum on ignore*

[micrix]

Unfortunately i do understand both sides very well. It makes me sad. One thing we all have in common is, that we all log on to do someting on Atys.

Probably we should play together once in a while ? How about a roleplay event in PR ? Some story with a lot of fighting (PvP) but also aligned with the lore and the current soryline.

The PvP players have the duty to try their best to to a little RP and the RP players have the duty to deliver a good fight. Probably everyone could learn something new out of this.

Psylo hunted with members of many guilds. Some members from Infinity i do remember for sure. They where very pragmatic people. For sure not easy to defeat in an RP event with PvP content. Quite a challange. Probably i should join them while event :p

[omsop]

lol, this is hilarious, Keoni trying to be all innocent, i was in PR once with infinity going fo sup's, yeah we done some killing, but after the Sup sources were got, the killin stopped, however, there were still things to kill like Popping Vorax's, I saw one close to myself & Keoni, ( who yes i had killed earlier, but no longer wanted to kill ) so i do what i do, i started to Nuke the Vorax, but KEONI saw this as a great oppertunity to hit me with a Nuke & then port out, yeah i died by the vorax & if it wasnt for Infinity rezzin me, i would have gained DP.

So.. my message to you is... KEONI is as dirty as they come, as far as i was concerned, PvP was over, i tried to do a favour & kill vorax as it was closer to Keoni than it was to me, but Keoni saw an opertunity not to kill me, but make sure i die & i get DP.

I wont make that mistake again.

ps, before anyone brings up " hey Posmo didnt you hate Infinity? "
my answer is yes, as they hated me, but after myself & Brithlem talked about things that happened between us, i realised Infinity are all about having fun, its what they do best & power to em.

[rushin]

lol, this is hilarious, Keoni trying to be all innocent, i was in PR once with infinity going fo sup's, yeah we done some killing, but after the Sup sources were got, the killin stopped, however, there were still things to kill like Popping Vorax's, I saw one close to myself & Keoni, ( who yes i had killed earlier, but no longer wanted to kill ) so i do what i do, i started to Nuke the Vorax, but KEONI saw this as a great oppertunity to hit me with a Nuke & then port out, yeah i died by the vorax & if it wasnt for Infinity rezzin me, i would have gained DP.

So.. my message to you is... KEONI is as dirty as they come, as far as i was concerned, PvP was over, i tried to do a favour & kill vorax as it was closer to Keoni than it was to me, but Keoni saw an opertunity not to kill me, but make sure i die & i get DP.

I wont make that mistake again.

ps, before anyone brings up " hey Posmo didnt you hate Infinity? "
my answer is yes, as they hated me, but after myself & Brithlem talked about things that happened between us, i realised Infinity are all about having fun, its what they do best & power to em.
so let me get this straight. u were in pr, you killed Keoni presumably with the help of your friends. later she kills you with the help of a vorax. Sounds like a good tactic to me, whats ur problem?

[keoni]

lol, this is hilarious, Keoni trying to be all innocent, i was in PR once with infinity going fo sup's, yeah we done some killing, but after the Sup sources were got, the killin stopped, however, there were still things to kill like Popping Vorax's, I saw one close to myself & Keoni, ( who yes i had killed earlier, but no longer wanted to kill ) so i do what i do, i started to Nuke the Vorax, but KEONI saw this as a great oppertunity to hit me with a Nuke & then port out, yeah i died by the vorax & if it wasnt for Infinity rezzin me, i would have gained DP. That's an interesting story, except for the little niggling detail that it never happened.

[grimjim]

That's an interesting story, except for the little niggling detail that it never happened.

Even so, I think that would be justifiable revenge in any case after being killed repeatedly, people tend to get... annoyed.

[lillaryn]

Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.

Did you just make this up? I believe that Caitiff asked for an ACTUAL instance where this occurred, not some story you made up. Do you have any screenies or other posts? Because this is just a disgrace to YOU. It's not an example of what you intended, but a verbal gank no different than one in-game that you say occurs every 5 seconds. Get some facts, or stop. Just stop. This (as many have said) is a DISSCUSSION forum, not an "I like to hear my own voice and stir up trouble" forum. And before you verbally gank me, I would like you to to remember that I have only created things like this as a joke to lighten things up or actually DISCUSSED things with others, no matter how heated my tone.

--Lil

[keoni]

Organising any sort of armed response to the people ganking and killing willy-nilly in the PR only provides PKers with what they're after, rewarding bad behaviour. While I understand where you're coming from on this, I think to a large degree it's a misperception that the might-makes-right guilds are going out of their way to make us believe. Yet, if they really considered it so great to just have a good war, they would be fighting one amongst themselves.

But they don't. They fight against people who they believe either won't fight back, or won't fight back effectively. They don't give any clear answers to direct questions about who they are warring with, with the intent (I believe) to muddy the waters of public opinion. When people disagree with their tactics, they try to ridicule them as 'whiners' - in other words, if you don't like their actions, they want you to sit down and shut up. Their entire public response seems intended to divide those who might otherwise oppose them, so that they might conquer.

The unfortunate truth is, as I see it: you can't defeat someone with that sort of belief system by turning the other cheek. They don't want to fight for the sake of fighting, they want to fight and win - whether that "win" be a pointless kill of a digger in PR, or the lion's share of a supreme zun supernode. If they start to find themselves on the losing end of these conflicts, they will lose their stomach for the fight.

They are right about one thing - if those who are opposed to their ways only discuss things, without taking action... then they will never have any reason to change. The overall tone of the user community will change in their direction, over time.

If you don't want that to happen, I believe you have to fight for it.

[grimjim]

Did you just make this up? I believe that Caitiff asked for an ACTUAL instance where this occurred, not some story you made up.

No, you'll find he asked, basically 'Why can't you just deal with this with RP?'.
That's why.
Because one set of people are acting with OOC motivations and no regard for the world and people in it. They're playing the 'Game' not playing the 'role'.
That was an example of why you can't.

The rest of your reply in the light of that is irrelevent.

Also regarding your comment on screenies etc I also answered that earlier.

[grimjim]

If you don't want that to happen, I believe you have to fight for it.[/font][/color]

Well then, you need about four guilds worth of people willing to sit on the problem area, kill the PKers constantly and allow everyone else free access. I don't see anyone who objects giving up all their other enjoyment indefinately to do that.

[lillaryn]

No, you'll find he asked, basically 'Why can't you just deal with this with RP?'.
That's why.
Because one set of people are acting with OOC motivations and no regard for the world and people in it. They're playing the 'Game' not playing the 'role'.
That was an example of why you can't.

The rest of your reply in the light of that is irrelevent.

Also regarding your comment on screenies etc I also answered that earlier.


So you're saying that you have no proof of this, yet you still post it? Wouldn't that be role-playing a bad or lemme find the word......sneaky shadowed character? From my past experiences with you, I accepted your roleplay to a degree, until it got so annoying that most at the event we were at (recent kitin raid) ported out just so they didn't have to hear your drabble anymore. If you're saying that people like me make it worse, then I must say you're not helping any. In fact, I edit my first comment to you, to stop. EVERYBODY JUST STOP. ME INCLUDED. THE VERBAL GANKING IS JUST AS BAD.

Oh, and btw, Fyrx, you rule, and I wish that the other posters in this thread and these forums were more like you :) There. Positive end to a negative thread. THE END.

--Lil

[omsop]

oh Keoni, it happened & you know it did & for anyone else trying to flame me by saying it was justified, i'll tell you this, goto PvP, i'll kill you, you respawn you get NO DP, i see aggro on you then i nuke you & let the aggro finish you off, you respawn you HAVE DP.

I would NEVER do what Keoni did, to do that is low & pathetic, by getting someone else DP is preventing that player from gaining lvl's cause they have DP to work off before they can advance any further.

lol, Keoni, your denial is sad especially when there was so many witness's, you say you werent there? lol, Melinoe was there, Infinity were there, some of OmegaV were there, & @ one time the topic of conversation was YOUR over Priced Jewels on merchants rofl.

& i do believe Thom rez'd us @ one point, cause he even said he was reluctant to rez me cause i tried to kill him. one thing i never do is lie, when i killed you, you would have HAD NO DP, you are a low pathetic excuse for a players, you only feel hard done by when you are the one being killed.

btw, Grimjim, you say it was justified by making it easier for aggro to get the kill on me even after all i was trying to do was STOP keoni & others from getting killed by mobs, i'll remember that next time i see you in PvP.

[omsop]

...............

[grimjim]

So you're saying that you have no proof of this, yet you still post it?

No I'm saying that naming names doesn't serve any purpose other than to make people defensive and, often reinforce their behaviour. They know who they are, hopefully a little conscience voice is niggling away.

Wouldn't that be role-playing a bad or lemme find the word......sneaky shadowed character?

No, because we're not role-playing here. We are discussing a problem Out of Character. Contrary to what recent media hysteria, Chick Tracts and other assorted things might have you believe, some people can tell the difference.

From my past experiences with you, I accepted your roleplay to a degree, until it got so annoying that most at the event we were at (recent kitin raid) ported out just so they didn't have to hear your drabble anymore.

The term is drivel, and I've never heard anything against my RP save at the last PvP event I went to were I RPed my frustration and boredom during the last set of gladiator bouts. On reflection, possibly not the best place to do it, but live and learn. Otherwise, nothing but compliments. Strangely I don't see a ton of threads popping up with people expressing problems with RP, odd that.

THE VERBAL GANKING IS JUST AS BAD.

There's no such thing as verbal ganking, if you don't like it, you can ignore it. Lucky you.

[keoni]

lol, Keoni, your denial is sad especially when there was so many witness's, you say you werent there? lol, Melinoe was there, Infinity were there, some of OmegaV were there, & @ one time the topic of conversation was YOUR over Priced Jewels on merchants roflShrug... I was there during that one confrontation, but nothing like the events you describe actually happened. Once the other guilds showed up, Infinity stopped attacking us, we stopped attacking them, we all dug our slice of the supreme zun pie, some people made absurd assertions that the price a crafter charges for their wares was a rationale for war, the zun ran out, we ported out peacefully.

The end.

[brithlem]

Other than the one time we dropped all of ON... over you leaving Pos and I for dead.... when have I touched saranda? There was a mention of 3 occasions? Maybe it was 3 times in one fight yeah... other than that the current roster of Infinity has yet to touch any of you in roots....

We can change that if you want. ... but as it stands we hit you all once.... and left it at that... and if i remember right when we hit you supreme wasn't even up.

On top of hitting saranda 3 times i'm also 47 feet tall... pale... and worship the Karavan .... woah there RP sarcasm!

[omsop]

Shrug... I was there during that one confrontation, but nothing like the events you describe actually happened. Once the other guilds showed up, Infinity stopped attacking us, we stopped attacking them, we all dug our slice of the supreme zun pie, some people made absurd assertions that the price a crafter charges for their wares was a rationale for war, the zun ran out, we ported out peacefully.

The end.

hmmm then mayb i should report a bug to the Dev's...

the drop in my HP ( more than what the Vorax hit ) & my sys info telling me you hit me for X amount of damage & then on my screen & compass you disappear ( ported out ).

i am not some nOOb that doesnt notice these things, i constantly watch my sys info, it becomes a bit of a habit in PR, mayb you thought i wouldnt notice, but i did say in Team Chat once it happened, if i lose HP i want to know why & i will look for that reason.

lol, Little Miss Innocent

[bf649ztp]

I don't know what all this talk about Infinity is about, all the gankers and PK'ers seem to be wrapped up in one need and tidy name, Kings of Oblivion! That's where alll the problem people in this game seem to come from.

[themac]

had to edit... double post :(

[themac]

humm.. triple post .. :(

[themac]

I don't know what all this talk about Infinity is about, all the gankers and PK'ers seem to be wrapped up in one need and tidy name, Kings of Oblivion! That's where alll the problem people in this game seem to come from.

I wondered if i should have ignored such a post. You are describing KoO as a guild full of gankers and Pk'ers. i am not gonna deny some members acted this way before , without the agreement of the whole guild , spoiling the reputation of KoO. Maybe recruiting them wasn t the best we had to do, but i don t like to judge peeps for how they were or how they acted in the past. Everybody should have a second chance.
After all the trouble happening, main members playing atm decided this week to vote so as to make things change , to preserve the original values of KoO. I am not gonna explain what they consist in this forum, because i considere this concern our guild and not the whole players. It is our crisis; only us can solve it.
Since things have been clarified , i didn t notice any trouble coming from our
Guild.
So i won t tolerate that KoO continue to be criticized in the present for things made in the past.Transposating facts belonging to the past as facts which are happening or which will happen is above all a lack of respect.

It is always easy to judge and criticize analyzing only the appearences...but are you sure you ll get the right conclusion?

If you wanna sort out things with our guild ; i invite you to use : /tell themac, don t worry i am not said to bite.


The Mac , current leader of KoO.



ps: Kye , we miss you :p

[lillaryn]

I don't know what all this talk about Infinity is about, all the gankers and PK'ers seem to be wrapped up in one need and tidy name, Kings of Oblivion! That's where alll the problem people in this game seem to come from.


Hiya....this is kind of a general request.....if you are going to point fingers at certain guilds, at least have the courage to sign your in-game name to your signature or in each post. Thanks......no one likes that kind of lurker.

--Lil

[themac]

post sent *3.5 times lets say :(

[themac]

heu post sent *4... :/

[themac]

sent *5 --->arghh me and informatic sometimes :(

[vinnyq]

Hey Brith, maybe I remembered wrong, it was a long time a go. Or maybe you don't remember. It was from waaaay before where Infinity was just trying to goad ON into a War, prbly for **** & giggles, and I think the reason at the time was that Keoni was charging too much for jewelries (since Haddo were praticuarly giveing em away for free!)

Anyhow, it doesn't matter. If you did or didn't, I dun really think you have malicious intents behind any of your current actions/policies (i.e. you're not out to ruin others fun).

What got ME mad was that one time somebody (not you) posted that he "dropped" sara and sed "lol k bye" over her corpse, and this was to prove that he doesn't smack talk.

That infuriated me.

That wasn't you though, and I think he's an ex Infinity now.

[thebax]

I gots strong opinions. One be dat PvP be a bad ting, both fer de werld o' Atys, an fer de souls/spirits/ka/wotever behind our corporeal forms on same. Another be dat whilst we gots de right, e'en responsibility, to voice our opinions, we gots no right to force anybudy onna course o' action.

I be, orf an' on, tryin to level me PR diggin. It be me lowest branch, at 68, mostly cuz it be less efficient to grind craftin wit den de others, but also cuz I wanna stay as far out o' de morass o' PvP as I kin.

When I do be levelin it, I does it in Windy Gate, cuz it be de lowest Q spot I knows of an' kin git too, an' it wuld be wrong fer me to empty out higher Q spots at me current level. It also happens to be a PvP zone.

Iffin ya sees me thar, ya kin know certain tings fer fact:

1. I be nekked. No sense wearin out me focus gear fer diggin dis low a level.

2. Only tings in me bag be TP tickies, an a spare pick. Don' wants de extra bulk o' weapons/amp/armor/joolz.

3. Had I the above listed weapons/amp/armor/joolz, it'd matter lil, as me best fight be 106, an me ele be 102.

4. Me fightin stats, part frem diggin, part frem healin' be;
Health=1800
Dodge=139
Magic resists=114
Unarmed damage= ~80 (I tink, ne'er use it, so unsher)

As ya kin see, I be lil threat, an' an easy target. Thar be no reason to kill me fer a "pre-emptive retaliation", but I canna stop you, iffin ya decides to do so.

Do as ya will.

[hans1976]

There is a dirty little man sitting in the Prime roots, naked and digging. Likely all covered in dirt and dust, good chance he doesnt know the meaning of personal hygene either.

He is inviting everyone to come over to his dark grotto in "Windy Gate" to "do as ya will"....


If he is spotted in that Darkroom of his, please alert everyone in every region. I am not even going near my teleporter ticket to Windy Gate if there is the slightest chance of being on the same continent as this dirty little man.

[keoni]

Everybody should have a second chance. After all the trouble happening, main members playing atm decided this week to vote so as to make things change , to preserve the original values of KoO. Even though ON has had our share of problems with some of KoO's members, we had a friendly working relationship when the Kings were first founded. I am very happy to hear that KoO is returning to its roots, and I hope we can return to good terms. Bright blessings, m8...

oh and p.s. Mac - try to limit your diggin' to no more than 16 hours a day - otherwise, I fear your brain my turn to jelly ;)

[keoni]

There is a dirty little man sitting in the Prime roots, naked and digging. Likely all covered in dirt and dust, good chance he doesnt know the meaning of personal hygene either. Bax is cool, you just need to remember to stay upwind from 'im. :)

[thebax]

I am not even going near my teleporter ticket to Windy Gate if there is the slightest chance of being on the same continent as this dirty little man.

Lol.

I wer mostly jus resignin meself publicly to de possibility o gittin ganked, an' lettin dem wot engage in dat activity know it ain gonna take up much o' thar time.

Had I knowed me remarks wuld be recieved to means summat diff'rent, Ida approached me post wit a very diff'rent attitude :D

I bathes e'ery chance I git, nobudy likes bein covered wit de flotsam o' diggin, an' I knows some stunnin places whar a couple may engage in such "cleanliness" in safety an' beauty :)

P.S. Yer invited too, Frydeswinde, shuld ya e'er change yer inclination, or iffin me current partner be ok wit it, an I jus wants a nap :P