LA challenge

[rushin]

spent an hour in the gh tonight trying to find a perfect recipe for la (max dodge and protection), eventually gave up but managed this (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/rushinmonkey/100.jpg). has anyone been able to get both stats maxed? pic would be nice if u have (and of course feel free to pm me the recipe ;))

as a side note dropping a few points from dodge i could get much better protection (clicky (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/rushinmonkey/97.jpg)), but still not good enough :(

[sprite]

*noob question* Do you need 100% to get +2 dodge?

If not, I'll take the 2nd one thanks :p

[akicks]

*noob question* Do you need 100% to get +2 dodge?

If not, I'll take the 2nd one thanks :p

I believe you do :P

[desertt]

i will pass this one :( i dont know anything about LA crafting

[nephele]

I think you can get +2 dodge with 99 as well

[kratos84]

Pretty close ;) Do I win anything?


pic (http://convergence-mod.net/ap/dodgela.jpg)




PS I cheated ... on vest/ pants you get 100 dodge 85 pf with this recipe.

[philu]

Pretty close ;) Do I win anything?

Lots of orders for LA? :D

[thlau]

Can you be more specific in your challenge?

What kind of plan do you have in mind? BQ, MQ or HQ.
And I think you will need a different assembly of mats for boots and pants.

[kayak]

oooh yay finally a chalenge for us LA producers :P....
*runs off and hides in appartment*

and yes you need 100 % for +2 dodge..damn annoying sometimes

[kyesmith]

all i will say is ANISSSA if anyone has that mix im sure she has it, infact she was working on the perfect set for her daggers :)

[kayak]

hmm with the new hp boosts on ha i do cc in HA and use stam jools. i still get more hp than if i wear hp jools+ la

[kyesmith]

hmm with the new hp boosts on ha i do cc in HA and use stam jools. i still get more hp than if i wear hp jools+ la

But penalty on that is wild, your hp and stam would drain fasssst

[desertt]

what about MA more hp bit protection and litle penalty

[kayak]

yeah it does drain fast :s

but actually alot of the time i just use the default atack stanza. i'm never going to take down a najab fast but in HA i offer a good tank for a nuker and a healer .. iall i got to do is hit once and i'm sorted.

one thing i noticed is that if there is somone else working fx 2h the mobs always switch targets to me since i'm closer. again since cc doesn't do a huge ammount of damage tanking myself up to the eyeballs and using default attack wiht the other mele in LA doing the damage works well too.

ps. as soon as the weather changes and i can dig rest of bag i'm off back to my app to play :P

[kyesmith]

i dont do CC but genrally people use HA for 2H or 1H sometimes MA for 1H/daggers and LA for CC and mage

[ghyselsj]

I do 2H in MA... I use dodge since my parry is about 100 lvls lower, so for dodge users MA is the way to go (you can get +1 on MA, and only 0 on HA). Also, I usually dodge enough to make up for the extra damage i take from hits.

Basically, if your MA is good enough, you're usually better off using that than using HA, even if you use parry it's quite easy to get +1 parry on MA. Only reason I'd use HA is to tank bosses since those buggers hit so damn hard.

[rushin]

Can you be more specific in your challenge?

What kind of plan do you have in mind? BQ, MQ or HQ.
And I think you will need a different assembly of mats for boots and pants.
challenge was to get dodge and protection at 100%, no matter the plan or which peice :)

[desertt]

should keep ppl busy for some time keeping them in GH :)
trying to beat the challenge

[kayak]

yay weather turned good and i managed to get back to my appartment.. here is what i came up with. not the best for teh protectin one i did but i dont' have too many PF mats


take a look see (http://www.noobiedeath.com/Sashtan/crafting/LA.JPG)

[iphdrunk]

My humble contribution.... clipped a bit not to spoil :)

Comments:
- there is not a single recipee, as with a lot of crafts, you just need the right modulo.

- this one is one of the (relatively) easiests mat-wise. In my case, tryker is easier, but it can be done in other races, not sure if in all. There is another PR only one.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/anissa_ryzom/Craft/temp.jpg

Can 100/100 be done? oh well... who knows :) if I had found it, would I post it publically, being shy as I am?



Pretty close http://www.ryzom.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif Do I win anything?


sorry :*)

Yours,

[kyesmith]

hehe thought you wud have a nice mix ani :)
good work again

[alibasil]

wowee!!!

So ani seeing as you said you'd change to kami ( \o/ )... can i put my name down for one of those? ;)

[norvic]

Dodge btw seems to be capped at 255 so if a char has high dodge anyway from lvl it would seem better to let the dodge slide a little and work on the other stats.

But a good challenge nontheless i will have a look at some mixs this evening.

[rushin]

My humble contribution.... clipped a bit not to spoil :)

Comments:
- there is not a single recipee, as with a lot of crafts, you just need the right modulo.

- this one is one of the (relatively) easiests mat-wise. In my case, tryker is easier, but it can be done in other races, not sure if in all. There is another PR only one.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/anissa_ryzom/Craft/temp.jpg

Can 100/100 be done? oh well... who knows :) if I had found it, would I post it publically, being shy as I am?




sorry :*)

Yours,

ohhh very shiny, thx for giving me some motivation to try harder :)
*draws up plans to stake out loria bosses*

[iphdrunk]

Dodge btw seems to be capped at 255

good point... although the personal window does show 260 dodge, I have no empirical or formal data that it's actually 260. Can you elaborate a bit more? do you dodge the same at 255 or 260? what do you mean "capped"?

Ani

[kyesmith]

Dodge btw seems to be capped at 255 so if a char has high dodge anyway from lvl it would seem better to let the dodge slide a little and work on the other stats.

But a good challenge nontheless i will have a look at some mixs this evening.

hm, 260 dodge is possible but ur saying it dosnt make a defference?

[norvic]

In my grotty Focus gear my personal window shows 255 dodge. As a special request I made some focus med for a guildie the other day, he sorted out the mat mix he required and i made a 100/100 dodge set but my personal window still showed 255 dodge.
If you say 260 is possible i stand corrected just i have never seen it on my personal info screen so i assumed a cap.

[alibasil]

give me a short while and ill post a pic of my P screen- i have 260/250 dodge with my +2 LA

[alibasil]

your max skill + 5 pieces of +1 dodge armour gives 255/250

If the pieces of armour you wear say +2 then all i can think is that the mats might have been mixed a little- actually that makes no sense!

if the pieces say +2 and your max skill is 250 then your dodge will read 260/250

[norvic]

Will try double check later, (at work atm), I am certain of the 100/100 dodge stat but dont remember what + if any they were showing.
I follow your logic that if they were all showing +2 then it should give dodge 260.

[kayak]

In my grotty Focus gear my personal window shows 255 dodge. As a special request I made some focus med for a guildie the other day, he sorted out the mat mix he required and i made a 100/100 dodge set but my personal window still showed 255 dodge.
If you say 260 is possible i stand corrected just i have never seen it on my personal info screen so i assumed a cap.

just a note.. if it is med armour you made then the max dodge will be +1 on each pice. LA has max dodge of +2 and heavy is +0

[norvic]

Yes it was Med, cheers Sash, confusion resolved.

[viipe]

It is not hard to get 100/100 for protection/dodge and allso all others over 96 on craft screen.

I have retired so i cant make sample but yes it is possible tho i havent see so big difference even when using +2 dodge LA

[rushin]

It is not hard to get 100/100 for protection/dodge and allso all others over 96 on craft screen.

I have retired so i cant make sample but yes it is possible tho i havent see so big difference even when using +2 dodge LA

well.. sorry the thread concept was so below your abilities. me, i thought it was a bit of fun, and with a gh full of boss mats certainly found it 'hard' - was also interested to see what ppl could do :)

*goes back to solitude of pr*

[alibasil]

It is not hard to get 100/100 for protection/dodge and allso all others over 96 on craft screen.

I have retired so i cant make sample but yes it is possible tho i havent see so big difference even when using +2 dodge LA

Man u must must've been a great player!

[kayak]

well.. sorry the thread concept was so below your abilities. me, i thought it was a bit of fun, and with a gh full of boss mats certainly found it 'hard' - was also interested to see what ppl could do :)

*goes back to solitude of pr*



a fine chalange it was too :) i love playign wiht boss mats.

ps i'd love to know where you find solitude in pr.. always raj around whenever i'm trying to dig :P

[hans1976]

Man u must must've been a great player!
His main is a lvl60 horde...

[putterix]

nah, i dont use LA anymore :/

[desertt]

What about this???

http://evoguild.mine.nu/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=56


EDIT: to nothing :D

[amitst]

Doesn't matter if your dodge precraft is 50 or 98, its gotta be 100 most likely to get +2 dodge.

[kgrieve]

I loved the idea of this thread. Doesn't anybody want to start a weapon or magic amp thread?

[kyesmith]

I loved the idea of this thread. Doesn't anybody want to start a weapon or magic amp thread?
is a good idea with a prize for the best screeny posted in one week
i'll sponsor in if someone wants to make the thread

[kayak]

I loved the idea of this thread. Doesn't anybody want to start a weapon or magic amp thread?

heeh a good idea but i think he are already some 'arguments' as to what constitutes a good wepon... just take a look in the bazaar section. wiht amps it depends on what stats you want.. btu again look in the bazaar section for some sweet amps that are 100% for 4 things

[kgrieve]

heeh a good idea but i think he are already some 'arguments' as to what constitutes a good wepon.

I know, but perhaps it is the inspiration to try and do better that is the interesting part.

[scarazi]

is a good idea with a prize for the best screeny posted in one week
i'll sponsor in if someone wants to make the thread

whats the prize? :p

[kyesmith]

whats the prize? :p
a big kiss, dunno but wud be intresting to see what stats people can get

[rushin]

a big kiss
aww come on kye, u'll snog anyone on a friday nite o.O

[kyesmith]

aww come on kye, u'll snog anyone on a friday nite o.O

well that all depends, if ur all blue on my average friday night i dont think ur in luck :D

[xeraphim]

well that all depends, if ur all blue on my average friday night i dont think ur in luck :D
awww kye... Does that mean i dont stand a chance?? :( *sobs*

[kyesmith]

awww kye... Does that mean i dont stand a chance?? :( *sobs*

im afraid not sorry, your ermmmmm
far to male and blue :/

[iphdrunk]

a big kiss, dunno but wud be intresting to see what stats people can get




A french player already won :D

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21005&page=1&pp=10

it seems to be the a good 97/97 amp + new OP mats + OP tool in effect with the perfect boost to all stats.

Drools over it :D

[archerke]

me wants :)

[kibsword]

A french player already won :D

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21005&page=1&pp=10

it seems to be the a good 97/97 amp + new OP mats + OP tool in effect with the perfect boost to all stats.

Drools over it :D

*wants it now* :p

[rushin]

omg!

and loved the 3rd post on that thread: Ooooohhhhhh c'est pour moi? :D

[iphdrunk]

me wants :)


lol, the required Outposts have already been talked about in that thread.... it is.... in Fyros, yes, that's it... Fyros, near the... uhm... frahar... no... past Dyron, yes that's it.


Must admit, it is a MUST HAVE IT for any one in the Gladiator league :D

[totnkopf]

Must admit, it is a MUST HAVE IT for any one in the Gladiator league :D
assuming they allow OP rewards in the league...

[sprite]

lmao, the stats are 112%... without the OP tool boost it would have been a 92% amp right? (adds 20% to stats)

Imagine a 97% amp with that boost :D

[xeraphim]

Wow... now those are something!!
*I want I want I want*
*frowns at 97/97 amps currently using :P*

[iphdrunk]

*frowns at 97/97 amps currently using :P*

lol.... * imagines players looking at hard to get 97/97 amps and thinking "what a utterly piece of bodoc dung I'm wearing" *

those amps seem to be pretty hard to get tho :) I just crafted quite a few LA sets and not a single extra boost * checks OP tool batteries, hello? hello? *

[xeraphim]

I just crafted quite a few LA sets and not a single extra boost * checks OP tool batteries, hello? hello? *
ROFL... Take the batteries out and rub them between your hands really quick then put em back in again... allways works with the TV remote :D

[bgraz]

A french player already won :D

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21005&page=1&pp=10

it seems to be the a good 97/97 amp + new OP mats + OP tool in effect with the perfect boost to all stats.

Drools over it :D
now those are awsome amps, but i'm a bit confused. Mabey a GM can answer this..did those amps get the boost from the crafting tool? I thought the boost was in hp/stam/sap/focus...did that change in a patch or was it always possible but extremely rare? when i got an OP crafting tool i used it for grinding and never saw a boost in the actual weapon stats, just the bonus stats..I'm very curious now

[akicks]

now those are awsome amps, but i'm a bit confused. Mabey a GM can answer this..did those amps get the boost from the crafting tool? I thought the boost was in hp/stam/sap/focus...did that change in a patch or was it always possible but extremely rare? when i got an OP crafting tool i used it for grinding and never saw a boost in the actual weapon stats, just the bonus stats..I'm very curious now

There are two melee crafting tool plans ;)

[putterix]

Hey, i can also edit my screenshot in photoshop :D

[iphdrunk]

Hey, i can also edit my screenshot in photoshop :D

heh yes... but he was smart enough to also modify the sap load :P

joking aside... it could be a fake, but I tend to believe it's not

[putterix]

Well, it could be true, BUT

Who makes an 92/92 amp with OP mats?

its not a mix i would waste OP mats on lol
i better go for 97/97 or 100/100.

I gonna test this, i got the tool, now i gather some mats and i test craft 20 amps and see what happens :D

[iphdrunk]

Well, it could be true, BUT

Who makes an 92/92 amp with OP mats?

its not a mix i would waste OP mats on lol
i better go for 97/97 or 100/100.

I gonna test this, i got the tool, now i gather some mats and i test craft 200 amps and see what happens :D


so you are going to craft 200 amps with 97/97 or 100/100 so no waste of OP mats? or you are going to craft 200 amps 97/97 or 100/100 with no OP mats? or are you going to craft q200 amps 97/97 or 100/100 with or without OP mats?

[petej]

Hey, i can also edit my screenshot in photoshop :D

Doesnt matter what he crafts whos going to beleive him after that ?

[putterix]

im goin to craft 20 pairs of 95 all stats amps without OP mats lol

200 = 20 lol



u got a point petej

[petej]

Well no not realy , just trying to point out its not good to throw stones (without proof) , GL n looking forward to your screenies ;)

[kyesmith]

Well no not realy , just trying to point out its not good to throw stones (without proof) , GL n looking forward to your screenies ;)

i see grooms point what mix do u know of 92/92 amps? it is a bit weird if the mix was 83/83 then u cud understand or even 95-97

[brithlem]

Just a minor point to add here....

Pre and post craft stats do vary by the following formula:

Postcraft = ((Precraft * .8) +20)

So.... we all (for the most part) use 97/97 zun amps.... the precraft stat of which is 96..... 96*.8 = 76.8 (rounds to 77) + 20 = 97. The amps we've grown to love.

Well.....

96 + 20 (mythical 20% bonus) = 116

116 * .8 = 92.8 + 20 (the pre / post craft adjustment) = 112.8 ... or (approximately)... the stats on these amps.

So... there's always that to consider.

Or.... we could always just call someone we don't know and have never spoken one word to a liar.

My 2 cents on amp crafting,

[iphdrunk]

96 + 20 (mythical 20% bonus) = 116


that's the part I don't get in general (pretty new to OP thingie) is that 20% wrt the final stat, wrt the max of 100?, precraft, postcraft?

what if the boost applies but the item degrades? still gets that 20?

[brithlem]

that's the part I don't get in general (pretty new to OP thingie) is that 20% wrt the final stat, wrt the max of 100?, precraft, postcraft?

what if the boost applies but the item degrades? still gets that 20?
for example:

making Q250 83/83 excel zun amps.... the pre craft stat is 79/79... if the craft is successful.... you get your (for example) Q250 83/83 amp. If the craft is degraded... the stats degrade along with the Q of the amp (sword, armor, etc). Is the degrade linear... i.e. the more the degrade... the more the stat loss.... yes. How much so I have to actually record. I can say though... crafting my sup 97/97 amps (attempting to craft 250s) as long as the Q of the amp stays over 225.... i keep and GH the amp as the stats turn out reasonable for use for those using the 225 spells... somewhere in the 90-92% stat range.

That said I don't have a clue about the OP 20%... which was your actual question... just a bit of clarification on the other crap i posted earlier.

[iphdrunk]

for example:

making Q250 83/83 excel zun amps.... the pre craft stat is 79/79... if the craft is successful.... you get your (for example) Q250 83/83 amp. If the craft is degraded... the stats degrade along with the Q of the amp (sword, armor, etc). Is the degrade linear... i.e. the more the degrade... the more the stat loss.... yes. How much so I have to actually record. I can say though... crafting my sup 97/97 amps (attempting to craft 250s) as long as the Q of the amp stays over 225.... i keep and GH the amp as the stats turn out reasonable for use for those using the 225 spells... somewhere in the 90-92% stat range.

That said I don't have a clue about the OP 20%... which was your actual question... just a bit of clarification on the other crap i posted earlier.


this soooo reminded me of my long time over oral exams :D

love bri,

[sprite]

Wrt to the +20% bonus, its a question whether its just "+20" or "+20% of the stat you would have got"...

In the first case, a 97% amp would be a 117% and in the 2nd case, it would be 116(.4) so I guess it doesnt reaaalllly make a difference the higher you get O_o

But yeah, Bri said something about it possibly applying to precraft stats *shrugs and gets more confused*

[putterix]

OK

Here it is, the best i could manage without wasting any uber mats :D

http://evoguild.mine.nu/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=57

[iphdrunk]

OK

Here it is, the best i could manage without wasting any uber mats :D

http://evoguild.mine.nu/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=57


Very nice :)

A worried homin would suggest that you just set Evo's OP as a target for both the amp mat and the Rubbarn gum I guess :o

[putterix]

Very nice :)

A worried homin would suggest that you just set Evo's OP as a target for both the amp mat and the Rubbarn gum I guess :o


Well, i didnt use any OP mats in this amp :D

Maybe they need a ampcrafter lol

[sprite]

http://evoguild.mine.nu/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=57
lmao generic mats... nice :p

What stats do they normally give? 91% (111-20) or 93% (93+93x(20/100))?

[iphdrunk]

Well, i didnt use any OP mats in this amp :D

heh actually that's the best use for such a tool.. grind exe amps till it dings, giving you a sweet sup like amp. I heard some peeps had like 600 muncham eyes

[putterix]

i had 94 all stats in precraft.

btw, muncham eyes grind is harder.

And take a look, this is 111 on all 8 bonuses :D

[iphdrunk]

i had 94 all stats in precraft.

btw, muncham eyes grind is harder.
And take a look, this is 111 on all 8 bonuses :D

I know... I was just suggesting that with muncham eyes it shuld be theorically possible to get 120 ele dmg.

sooooo we have (of course, if I am not wrong -- just guessing, since you said you would craft 20 amps.. that's a pretty high number of kittin larva):

- A Rubbarn gum so you can craft the Rubbarn-Foo Melee weapon tool, according to the Outpost thread, Ginti Workshop - q250 Melinoe (Rubbarn gum, Dexterity)

- Several OP amp crafting mats from our friends in Trykerlands,


EDIT: fixed, Kitin Larva all the way :D, * good good, bows *

- Grind until the tool dings the boost,

- Getting rich in the bazaar with auctions for 111%, priceless.


Nicely done,

[putterix]

[QUOTE=iphdrunk]I know... I was just suggesting that with muncham eyes it shuld be theorically possible to get 120 ele dmg.

116 is highest possible stat from ordnary 100/100

[iphdrunk]

I know... I was just suggesting that with muncham eyes it shuld be theorically possible to get 120 ele dmg.

116 is highest possible stat from ordnary 100/100

thanks :) that solves the doubt we had on how the boost was applied. got it now, ty

[johntf]

Speed on amps isnt that important really, I do still want 97, 97 but the drop to say 70 ish speed isnt much.

[turjake]

Speed on amps isnt that important really, I do still want 97, 97 but the drop to say 70 ish speed isnt much.

I beg to disagree, there is real difference with even 97 and 100 speed amps, especially in casting doubles in hairy hunt situations. I've noticed that I had my pair of 97's on when I couldn't throw off an emergency heal in time I knew I should have been able to make it.

Of course it's matter of playstyle and whatever - and for me in healing speed is desired http://www.ryzom.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

[brithlem]

I beg to disagree, there is real difference with even 97 and 100 speed amps, especially in casting doubles in hairy hunt situations. I've noticed that I had my pair of 97's on when I couldn't throw off an emergency heal in time I knew I should have been able to make it.[/img]
Agreed there.... tested it with duels before.... one elem in 97/97 the other in 100/100. By the third cast the 97/97 was far enough behind that it couldn't win the duel.

[putterix]

Just a minor point to add here....

Pre and post craft stats do vary by the following formula:

Postcraft = ((Precraft * .8) +20)

So.... we all (for the most part) use 97/97 zun amps.... the precraft stat of which is 96..... 96*.8 = 76.8 (rounds to 77) + 20 = 97. The amps we've grown to love.

Well.....

96 + 20 (mythical 20% bonus) = 116

116 * .8 = 92.8 + 20 (the pre / post craft adjustment) = 112.8 ... or (approximately)... the stats on these amps.

So... there's always that to consider.

Or.... we could always just call someone we don't know and have never spoken one word to a liar.

My 2 cents on amp crafting,


Yes, i tried it out now

Postcraft = Precraft +20 x 0.8 +20

so u get a 97/97 amp out of excel zun now

[alibasil]

In fairness though im sure that for your general levelling a pair of excellent Sha amps would do the trick!

I was going to say choice but i know that nobody would want em.

lol -EDIT- just remembered excellent Sha is 100% cast speed. (well ill keep the same example but switching power and speed with mob mats)

lol - 2nd EDIT- this is getting a little sidetracked right? i coulda sworn we were chatting about LA?

[iphdrunk]

Yes, i tried it out now

Postcraft = Precraft +20 x 0.8 +20

so u get a 97/97 amp out of excel zun now

Actually.... I was thinking where did we get the idea of the 20% boost? the only thing the tool says, if I remeber correctly, is that it increases the class of the object, giving us a bit more insight on how the classes are defined, maybe there is this "fixed 20" factor somewhere?

Ah, the wicked world of crafting....

ps. pre*0.8 * 20 actually, just a minor detail

Edit: Ali, you're soo right :*) but
a) can't blame us teh players for wanting teh uber itams, or teh crafters for teh fun of it
b) funny how threads can go offtopic... it all started with "hey, what if we did this about amps2? "oh, been done", 2how"? can we split the thread in two? :D

[iphdrunk]

In fairness though im sure that for your general levelling a pair of excellent Sha amps would do the trick!

:D I just thought of something.... In 2 months time

- "hello, how are you?"
- "hi there, good good thanks"
- "do you craft q250 amps?"
- "yes I do"
- "can I have a pair of 111/111?"
- "uhm what about these 97/97?"
- "can't do 111/111? nvm, ty, cya"
....

of course, just fictitious

[putterix]

OK,lets start an amp thread :D

[omsop]

sorry i dont read Forums much and just saw this one.
sorry about the Q, but i dont dig lake.

is this what you looking for?

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd2/21887/100_100_Vest.jpg