Dev request: New titles based on faction

[oldmess]

From the Yyrkanis Shielding Act thread:

I really really wish that i wasnt so nooby when everyone was getting their kami/karavan champion titles (i really had no idea what was going on). So I dont have the title now and the only way i can show my loyalty to the kami is with that little yellow tag.

Agreed. I arrived on Atys shortly after those titles were made available and, as far as I know, there hasn't been another opportunity to get them. Here's a Dev suggestion: Make a title available that you get automatically based on your faction alignment.

I'm posting this in a new thread cause it's so OOC and kind of a separate issue. I'm requesting that the dev's create 3 new titles. Each homin gets 1 and only 1 of these depending on their current faction. If a homin changes from Karavan follower to neutral, he loses the one title and gains the other.

Karavan Follower
Kami Follower
Hominist or Neutral or ?
I purposely made them different than the Champion titles so those that earned those titles would still have them and their meaning wouldn't be diluted.

If there are other suggestions for what the faction title should be, feel free. This is just my off-the-top-of-my-head suggestion.

Since they are titles, you can CHOOSE to wear them or continue wearing your existing title. It becomes an option and not something your forced to do. And, it would allow you to proclaim your religion with or without activating your PvP tags.

[weeman07]

a simple kami or karavan tittle would be nice, the "champion" one should be left to those who atended that great event :)

[kaetemi]

a simple kami or karavan tittle would be nice, the "champion" one should be left to those who atended that great event :)not everyone who was there got it, just those who were at the right place at the right time, i was at that event and didn't know where they got those titles at the end

[petej]

a simple kami or karavan tittle would be nice, the "champion" one should be left to those who atended that great event :)

and knew to visit the Kami at the end to gain it , was there all through that event but it was running very late and I left as soon as we were told the event was over.

If they ever do one of those again they should make sure everyone who takes part (for a reasonable amount of time) gets the Title not only those that are there at the very end especialy with the very wide/divided time zones we have now

Back more On-Topic the Cult Titles should be awarded on completion of the Cult Citizenship Rites and removed if you become Neutral once more , theres already Homin for Neutrals but maybe the addition of a Trytonist title option for Neutral Cult would be good too

EDIT - Going back further off-topic lol be nice if Trytonists also had their own PvP flag so they realy could oppose the two higher powers , dont think we'll get that tho

[ajsuk]

Yeah, I made this suggestion ages ago on that improvments thread. I'd really like to see this. Also It really should be titles and not another ugly flag. = )

[marct]

Title based on your current fame would be kind of nice. I am sure we could come up with 5 varying degrees on either side of the fence.


Radical Karavaneer (80-100)
Devout Karavaneer (60-80)
Karavaneer (40-60)
Karavan follower (20-40)

Tolerant (0-20)

Kami follower (20-40)
Kamist (40-60)
Devout Kamist (60-80)
Radical Kamist (80-100)

Noin.

[alibasil]

nice idea noin i like it :D

[kaetemi]

Kami follower (20-40)Follower? No, we are friends with them, not their slaves.
I do not want titles suggested by Jena's slaves.

[bgraz]

Title based on your current fame would be kind of nice. I am sure we could come up with 5 varying degrees on either side of the fence.


Radical Karavaneer (80-100)
Devout Karavaneer (60-80)
Karavaneer (40-60)
Karavan follower (20-40)

Tolerant (0-20)

Kami follower (20-40)
Kamist (40-60)
Devout Kamist (60-80)
Radical Kamist (80-100)

Noin.
excellent idea..mabey elimenate the tolerent title and start the title progression at 30 fame to correspond with faction alignment though :)..but great idea

[rushin]

I'd like to see title's for +/- 100 fames with race and faction. titles were mentioned in the notes when the new fame was coming in but they seem well hidden :)

[oldmess]

Yeah, I made this suggestion ages ago on that improvments thread. I'd really like to see this. Also It really should be titles and not another ugly flag. = )

Sorry mate, didn't mean to steal your idea. I'm just too lazy to search that giant thread. From here on out I'll refer to it as "Jayce's idea that he probably accidently got from someone else but I'm too lazy to figure out who and he didn't mean to anyway." :p

[alibasil]

Sorry mate, didn't mean to steal your idea. I'm just too lazy to search that giant thread. From here on out I'll refer to it as "Jayce's idea that he probably accidently got from someone else but I'm too lazy to figure out who and he didn't mean to anyway." :p

lol!!! u r silly :p

[oldmess]

Title based on your current fame would be kind of nice. I am sure we could come up with 5 varying degrees on either side of the fence.

Good idea; I would suggest it just be pair of titles. One for someone that is faction aligned, but under 60 in fame and another for those 60+. Fame alone should NOT determine it though. If you are +30 in Kara fame, but are still officially a neutral, you shouldn't get the title, IMO. You're title should reflect your conscious choice of faction and not just your fame.

The goal is to give those that are Faction-aligned a way to broadcast that fact without having to be PvP enabled all the time.

[d29565]

I cannot offer any wonderful names, but I do like the idea that you've come up with. I would, most times, prefer to wear a title saying I'm karavan, rather than wear a pvp tag.

[oldmess]

lol!!! u r silly :p
*trumpets and other misc. fanfare*

And with this post, today marks a new era in which one Kamist and one Karavaneer can finally find common ground: In this we are resolved on one simple fact: I'm silly. :D

[blaah]

Good idea; I would suggest it just be pair of titles. One for someone that is faction aligned, but under 60 in fame and another for those 60+.
why so complex ? when you turning to either side, you are doing rite. just add "Karavaneer" / "Kamist" titles for title rewards and if you renounce your cult status, then take that title back.
it's simple and easy.

as for neutrals, there is title "Homin" already. why start caring about us now ? leave us alone.

[petej]

Personaly I think one for each would be enough:-

Kamist
Karavaneer
Trytonist

All gained/lost on completion of the Cult Rites or becoming Neutral , if one of those doesnt fit your character you still have the "Homin" title , further Titles like "Kami Champion" should be tied to Events or Rites (+Fame lvl requirement)

[aardnebb]

Kamist
Karavaneer
Trytonist


I would like to make the distinction between Trytonist and "Neutral by choice".

Plenty of good suggestions, but I would really _really_ like "Mercenary"...

[oldmess]

why so complex ? when you turning to either side, you are doing rite. just add "Karavaneer" / "Kamist" titles for title rewards and if you renounce your cult status, then take that title back.
it's simple and easy.

Sure, OK.

I was actually just reponding to Noin's suggestion and simplifying that a bit to better line it up with the game mechanics, but a simple, single title based on a faction choice is good too. In fact that sounds really familiar... oh yeah, that's because that's what I first suggested when I accidently stole Jayce's idea. :D

[calel]

why so complex ? when you turning to either side, you are doing rite. just add "Karavaneer" / "Kamist" titles for title rewards and if you renounce your cult status, then take that title back.
it's simple and easy.

as for neutrals, there is title "Homin" already. why start caring about us now ? leave us alone.


I agree fully. Make the title available when you complete the Cult Rite and make it dissapear when you revert to neutrality. But I' d rather see more lore-fitting titles than just bland Karavaneer/Kamist.

'Disciple of Jena' and 'Acolyte of Ma-Duk' would fit a lot better as both give more meaning to the Cultstatus. And perhaps someday if and when Nevrax decides they have time again to work on more Rites, they can always add more Cult Rites that let you progress upwards in the Church of Jena or the Word of Ma-Duk with new titles according to status in the hierarchy.

Neutrals already have 'Homin' indeed, no need to add something there. As for Trytonists ... I don' t see a point adding a title there as Trytonism still is a rather secretive sect, with various among those climbing up in the other Factions; why give away your cover? And I don' t see that changing should Tryton even rise to 'godhood' or claim his position as the Tryker' s 'Holy Father'.


Agreed with Petej; give more chances to earn Kami/Karavan maybe even Homin Champion titles either through events or Rites. There' s a lot that are envious of those and not all have had the pleasure of having played for that long or been at that event. (other titles are always welcome as well; they don' t specifically need to be 'Champion' titles)

[oldmess]

Neutrals already have 'Homin' indeed, no need to add something there. As for Trytonists ... I don' t see a point adding a title there as Trytonism still is a rather secretive sect, with various among those climbing up in the other Factions; why give away your cover? And I don' t see that changing should Tryton even rise to 'godhood' or claim his position as the Tryker' s 'Holy Father'.
Agreed on the Trytonist label. Until the game mechanics make Trytonists an actual cult where you can do the rite, etc, don't give titles for it.

On the Neutral label, I was thinking that a lot of people seem quite proud of their neutrality and since anyone can display a Homin title, having a neutral title that only a non-aligned homin could display would be a nice way for those that are proud of it to show that pride.

But, since I'm a Karavaneer, it doesn't hurt me if they just do the 2 new titles. Especially since the origination of this idea is related to the PvP tags.

[ajsuk]

Sorry mate, didn't mean to steal your idea. I'm just too lazy to search that giant thread. From here on out I'll refer to it as "Jayce's idea that he probably accidently got from someone else but I'm too lazy to figure out who and he didn't mean to anyway." :p

lol ya nut! :D

I don't care, it's getting attentions, It's kewl! :p

[iphdrunk]

I don't care, it's getting attentions, It's kewl! :p


Hey ! you're spamming again ! :P

[vguerin]

'Disciple of Jena' and 'Acolyte of Ma-Duk' would fit a lot better as both give more meaning to the Cultstatus. What, and steal my self proclaimed title ? :P

<glances at sig>

[kostika]

On the Neutral label, I was thinking that a lot of people seem quite proud of their neutrality and since anyone can display a Homin title, having a neutral title that only a non-aligned homin could display would be a nice way for those that are proud of it to show that pride.


I think either a completed Neutral rite or when you choose neutral for your alignment, you get the title. That goes for the Kami and Kara ones too but they already have induction rites so they should get the title then. Undetermined shouldn't have an alignment title since they're unaligned.

I really like this idea though. Alot of people only use their tags to show their side or would like to show their side without using the tag. It really would be a good addition.

[katriell]

I think either a completed Neutral rite
Heh, who would you get the rite from? Neutrality in general is too diverse and disorganized to be a rite-bound faction in that sense, I think.

[marct]

Heh, who would you get the rite from? Neutrality in general is too diverse and disorganized to be a rite-bound faction in that sense, I think.I think a Yubo would be fitting. Maybe you need to talk to Ora.


Edited: Cause i realized how silly I was

[ajsuk]

Hey ! you're spamming again ! :P

Oh shut it, P... er.. Ani! :p

[kostika]

Heh, who would you get the rite from? Neutrality in general is too diverse and disorganized to be a rite-bound faction in that sense, I think.

No clue. Brain jsut tossing out ideas :D Maybe it would be a way to make it a little more defined in game terms.

[bf649ztp]

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[norvic]

Agree with Rushin some titles based on both faction and racial fame lvls would be nice.

Sympathise with Ali too, I was at one of the events in the roots where we had to stand about for names to be taken but never received a title maybe it wasnt the right event or maybe i wasnt in quite the right place at the right time but with racial and faction issues becoming more relavent this issue needs redressing and somthing based on the fame lvls seems logical to me.

[petej]

What of Race Titles given on completion of the Citizen Rites ?

They would also be usefull to determine who was eligable to vote for instance (thinking of Homins whos Citizenship is other than there natural/born one) , I know there have been occasions when Citizens have been excluded because they arent born to that Race , this would give them a way to prove their loyalty to all present

You may think this is Off-Topic but Race is also a Faction component , theres far more than just the two main Cult Factions

Wouldnt need to be fancy to achieve this just a plain "Zorai/Tryker/Matis/Fyros Citizen" would suffice

[oldmess]

What of Race Titles given on completion of the Citizen Rites ?

You may think this is Off-Topic but Race is also a Faction component , theres far more than just the two main Cult Factions

Wouldnt need to be fancy to achieve this just a plain "Zorai/Tryker/Matis/Fyros Citizen" would suffice

Given that the whole fame/faction/citizenship is all part of a recent set of code changes, adding the faction titles and adding citizenship titles would probably be in the same section of code. So, it's not really off topic, IMO.

And, I like the idea. At present, racial citizenship doesn't play any real role in the game mechanics, but I'm hoping they plan to do something with it. And when they do, those titles would be useful. As long as my assumption about where it is in the code is right, why not do them now?

[rushin]

Sympathise with Ali too, I was at one of the events in the roots where we had to stand about for names to be taken but never received a title maybe it wasnt the right event or maybe i wasnt in quite the right place at the right time but with racial and faction issues becoming more relavent this issue needs redressing and somthing based on the fame lvls seems logical to me.
in the first couple of events there were npc's who gave out dapper/fame/tp's home/etc, was also an npc giving out the champion titles.. They didnt give a lot of time when the event finished to find them though :)

[omsop]

oh Nooooooo, not more titles :P

[final60]

Yeah more titles, sounds cool! Don't be silly and think any titles would be introduced though :P This is nevrax remember!

[raven41]

im to tired to read all the post so sorry if someone said this already..But I like noin's idea (moslty) (Start.IC)tho im not a "follower" of the kami I help them mearly because I can and I don't want to leave atys,this will be my resting place when I die (leave game) not some far off planet ..or spaceship :P (end.IC)

ANYWAY !! I think we should get Kami/Karavan Champion when we get +100 fame with the faction side! ...since it is not a very easy task.

[edit] goodnight