OP war today

[aek21]

on friday at 5 gmt the Soul has declare war at Woodburn stronghold
as most of u know there is a whole mess and serious cheating for the currenet owner to achieve that
Soul and Kings of Oblivion (which were deleted) were the owners of this op before this fraud happen
what is done is done and cant be changed
this outpost is currently belonging to a guild in KA
there are many talks that kami spy kara and all the way arround but i wonder as things looks now do we
have to blame a whole (kara or kami )side for some individuals acts?

soon this outpost will go back to the true owners wether u decide to defend it or not.
there is not going to be a kami/kara war but
is going to be a war against those who take advantage of the current situation and to those who still like some fair play

therefore i expect everyone who can stand up with us and show that there are still people left in this community
that have have some integrity among them and like some fair competition

[thlau]

on friday at 5 gmt the Soul has declare war at Woodburn stronghold

Am I right, if I assume, that you mean 5 pm GMT?

[aek21]

Am I right, if I assume, that you mean 5 pm GMT?

seems i missed some important details here :)
yes thats 5 pm gmt sorry for the inconvenience

[camlost2]

I had planned to do some house work then lol but count me in :D

[dakhound]

DAMMIT

am in work

[arfindel]

TS will be there.

[oldmess]

as most of u know there is a whole mess and serious cheating for the currenet owner to achieve that

have to blame a whole (kara or kami )side for some individuals acts?

there is not going to be a kami/kara war but is going to be a war against those who take advantage of the current situation and to those who still like some fair play

therefore i expect everyone who can stand up with us and show that there are still people left in this community that have have some integrity among them and like some fair competition

You know what? It this kind of post that makes me hate the forums. If you want to challenge an OP, do it. If you want to do a "call to arms" post, great. If you want to give IC reasons for your challenge, that's fine. But if you want to bash the integrity of the players you're attacking... keep it to yourself.

The people that engaged in unethical behavior have been banned including the guy that was holding Kings of Oblivion and the OP. If you believe CV did something unethical or any of the folks that were there did something unethical, submit a ticket. But bashing all of us on the forum is NOT making the community better in any way.

[dakhound]

You know what? It this kind of post that makes me hate the forums. If you want to challenge an OP, do it. If you want to do a "call to arms" post, great. If you want to give IC reasons for your challenge, that's fine. But if you want to bash the integrity of the players you're attacking... keep it to yourself.

The people that engaged in unethical behavior have been banned including the guy that was holding Kings of Oblivion and the OP. If you believe CV did something unethical or any of the folks that were there did something unethical, submit a ticket. But bashing all of us on the forum is NOT making the community better in any way.

fair comment,

thinks of IC reason for attack.............

{IC}

I dont like karas, karas got and outpost in fyros, karas trying to sell gimp suits from said outpost, therefore I suggest we all kick their butts outta town, all that rubber in a burning place man it smells so bad I cant smell the mektoub dung at pyr stables

[ajsuk]

Thats better! :p

[philu]

You know what? It this kind of post that makes me hate the forums. If you want to challenge an OP, do it. If you want to do a "call to arms" post, great. If you want to give IC reasons for your challenge, that's fine. But if you want to bash the integrity of the players you're attacking... keep it to yourself.

The people that engaged in unethical behavior have been banned including the guy that was holding Kings of Oblivion and the OP. If you believe CV did something unethical or any of the folks that were there did something unethical, submit a ticket. But bashing all of us on the forum is NOT making the community better in any way.

Well your argument would be fair enough if it wasn't for the following:

there are many talks that kami spy kara and all the way arround but i wonder as things looks now do we
have to blame a whole (kara or kami )side for some individuals acts?

and
there is not going to be a kami/kara war but
is going to be a war against those who take advantage of the current situation

Baffos isn't bashing "you all", just those he feels took advantage of the cheating. So, unless you're admitting to being an accomplice, I don't see your problem. :rolleyes:

Personally I would like to know how soon after the guild was deleted that the OP was declared on because that would shed light on who else knew about this whole sorry episode.

The only tainting of the community that has been done recently certainly wasn't done by Baffos. So instead of getting all defensive, why not come out on the side of fair play and condemn the actions? Surely that would be better than starting a whine about how it wasn't you and you're being so hard done to?

And yet again I find myself agreeing with Jayce. What is this world coming to? :D

[ajsuk]

And yet again I find myself agreeing with Jayce. What is this world coming to? :D
:p

Anywayz, my input:
It's an OP. Currently they are designed to be fought over.
I understand the previous owners/shared owners being upset, but its just one of those things. The OP was freed up for a reason(s). Someone had to declare on it, Cara Via got there first, oh well... :)

(That'll prolly be the only input from me, unless I have something I consider senseable to reply to.)

[lathan]

I think one of the worst things that has been happening to this community recently is the way that the forum has crossed over into game in certain ways, and vice-versa. I will attempt to put it in terms of sides A and B, not because anyone will be unsure as to which side is which, but to try and at least give some chance for objectivity in those reading.

So side A does something in game that side B doesn't like. Side B feels that they are justified in this dislike of the action, and so bring it to the attention of the community via the forums, and the community decides whether or not to take action based on the information and counter-information given.

Next time side B does something that side A doesn't like, they put it up on the forum, and again the community acts on the information given. So this becomes a regular to-ing and fro-ing between the two sides. Then one side stops using the forum like that, and the other side doesn't.

So what now? Every time B does something that A doesn't like, A post about it. This annoys B ("Why do they have to post about it every time? You don't see us posting every time they do something we don't like") and so, being sick of this treatment, they decide that rather than answer what's been posted on the forum, they will answer it in-game. By taking a harder line. By continuing the things that A don't like. Consequently, the posts continue, and the line gets harder. Repeat until we all turn blue (and not as a racial preference).

So.. who is to blame, and how do we fix it? As far as I can see, A and B have both made mistakes. People on both sides (individuals and guilds) have done questionable things (some have done some downright wrong things) and not all have tried to attone for these actions.

As for how to fix it, one side can't. That much is obvious. Side B need to stop using their anger at posts to spur them on to do things that (let's be honest) they know are going to lead to more posts of the same ilk. They need to be more open about their intentions, and if people from Side A constantly call them liars, they will be quickly proved wrong and discredited.

Side A need to stop posting for support in such a way. Talk to the people who need to know in game. It's easy enough to find out who guild leaders are. PM those that are likely to give you support, or that you would hope that might not help side B, given some information they are lacking beforehand. That way you can put your arguments to them, and hear their arguments back, and who knows, maybe everyone will make moves with just a little bit more of an informed stance.

This isn't a dig at either side, or the original poster (sry if I hijacked this thread too much, but it seemed like a good place to start). And yes, I do know all the details of this particular incident, and have picked a side accordingly for this afternoon.

Also, I'd like to say that obviously, this is all just my opinion of what needs to change, but that also it's a very informed one. I've spoken to a lot of people on both sides over the last few days about what has been going on lately in game, and a lot of people have shared their frustrations and concerns with me. This game has only briefly felt fun recently, especially in the area of outposts. Hopefully there will be some changes coming, otherwise there are a great number of people that I can't see staying for much longer.

[raven41]

Acually I am glad he posted here because if he had not I would not have known
About the fight untill I had already missed it ..TY Baf.. Ill be there if I can log on at that time....

On that note im sure im not the only one that would not have known if not for the post ...Not everyone plays daily/hourly and can be informed ingame,since I surely would not have logged on untill after the battle today,And would have missed any chance for any kind of "fun" that could be...Now lets not flame anyone and just see eachother on the battle field ...(and lets be the good comunity I know we can be and not flame in region :))

Asking for help on the forums is not going anywhere and im glad its not.

[edit] im doing my best to stay positive here but between RL and ingame frustrations its not very easy sometimes ...I don't really like the way OPs are but we cant do anything about it atm so we can atleast try to have fun when they do happen....like me almost taking my moms op in matis with 3 ppl (me,Mastro and kaetami) because they underestimated us...btw i didnt want to take that OP :p because its my moms o.o

[xzizoux]

Baffos,iīm Proud to fight side by side with u in this battle,letīs get this OP back to his real owner



Lexius
Merchants of Void
(searching for his Lost Friends Sumsum and Uma)



"""Noobish by Nature"""

[kaetemi]

Announcing your attack on public forums will result in more enemies being there ;)

[lorac]

as most of u know there is a whole mess and serious cheating for the currenet owner to achieve that
Soul and Kings of Oblivion (which were deleted) were the owners of this op before this fraud happen


The current owner is me and I do take exception to this statement. CaraVia had no involvement in the events that caused this outpost to become available and a simple tell from someone in the area of "Hey, come look at this!" was all that was necessary for me to get to this banner first. And I was first only by a couple of mins. Our postion on this whole matter has been discussed with GM.

I've seen simular comments about our declaration on the Lost Valley outpost also. And this was simply a case of watching the banner and waiting for defence time only to see it unexpectedly return to peace. Both Void outposts sat in that state for almost an hour.

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.

[philu]

The current owner is me and I do take exception to this statement. CaraVia had no involvement in the events that caused this outpost to become available and a simple tell from someone in the area of "Hey, come look at this!" was all that was necessary for me to get to this banner first. And I was first only by a couple of mins. Our postion on this whole matter has been discussed with GM.

I've seen simular comments about our declaration on the Lost Valley outpost also. And this was simply a case of watching the banner and waiting for defence time only to see it unexpectedly return to peace. Both Void outposts sat in that state for almost an hour.

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.

Lorac, this is the first comment I personally have read from Cara Via concerning this whole sorry incident. I would like to thank you for stating your guilds position on the OP.

It would be sad if your moment of opportunism was to taint your guild with the same evil stench as the perpetrator of the dastardly deed. I'm sure you'd agree it wasn't the best way for you to gain control. :(

[aek21]

this post is personal and doenst represent either other players or my guild

if i could i would have roll back server and i m sure other guilds would have greater lost from that
/point ur guild

i may have already send a ticket for my thoughts plus any information i had in my hands of the incident but thats something confidencial between me and the nevrax company so i guess u will never know that

i never gave any players names or reffered to any guilds at my first post either sides or give any more information than nevrax has done

i was afraid that this post may come to this point so here is my answer to you

u blame for spying u blame gor many attacks u blame for many op wars at the same time u blame for alter guilds declaring wars (whats not allowed of these?)

but u dont blame urself for the means u use to gain it
u dont blame urself for the power u have give those people of ur side to mess around with community

is easy to blame each other and hard for all to come to an agreement of who is responsible for the mess

but i wonder.....why didnt u cancelled the attack when on previous post people asked that till the whole issue is investigated?

i could easily make a poll and ask ur opinion about the issue
well there u go then

here is my poll



there is one side who will fight for to own back something that trully belong and have paid for it and one side that will defend an op that they won without people even be able to defend it by using advantage of a fraud

of cource there will be another side
the one who will decide to stay neutral
people who cant be there people who preffer to lvl coz thats more important
and the people that dont see the bigger idea and the kami/kara war
make them blind



finally.......
/bow piri for her support and lawyer skills ;)

P.S that op will still be a main target for the karavan side is up to u when u want to come claim it with a proper deffence
we know u will and u are more than welcome to as long as u use the right means
i personally have congratulate u once for the victory at malmomt and will do again if u worth it

my 3 dappers (bloddy inflation) :P


You know what? It this kind of post that makes me hate the forums. If you want to challenge an OP, do it. If you want to do a "call to arms" post, great. If you want to give IC reasons for your challenge, that's fine. But if you want to bash the integrity of the players you're attacking... keep it to yourself.

The people that engaged in unethical behavior have been banned including the guy that was holding Kings of Oblivion and the OP. If you believe CV did something unethical or any of the folks that were there did something unethical, submit a ticket. But bashing all of us on the forum is NOT making the community better in any way.

[noceros]

It may not be the best way for someone to gain control, but at the time, it was the only way. And if it hadn't been Cara Via, it would have been someone else... only a matter of time. Who's to say who the rightful owner is or which faction should be allowed to take over? As has been said time and time again, OPs are here to be fought over, so let's quit complaining and settle it the old-fashioned way! ;)

[rundll32]

there is one side who will fight for to own back something that trully belong and have paid for it

1.) Outposts dont belong to any one guild. They are not static.

2.) I did suggest at the time that buying an outpost seemed pretty pointless but i was trolled.

[killgore]

Explain to me what Cara Via did wrong?Individuals acted badly resulting in the OP being unowned. Lor was there to notice this and declared. He didn't cause the OP to be unoccupied. Cara Via is a great guild and trying to portray them as unethical because they declared on an unoccupied OP is unfair. If The Soul want the OP just declare and take it but trying to incite the community against Cara Via to promote your own agenda is totally uncalled for.-Kilgoretrout

[alibasil]

dont beat up Cara Via over this. Yes its suspicious that they got a declaration in pretty soon after it became available, this can only be put down to coincidence though.

We have had a statement from them saying they had no involvement with the players that lost their minds to insanity. We havent had any statements opposing this. Therefore we should believe them.

If Cara Via lied then that is their problem and the guilt will probably be enough of a punishment.


Another point to remember is that even if Padawan or his accomplice told Cara Via of the situation, we have no evidence that Cara Via have done anything against the CoC, and even if it is without moral value they declared according to game rule.

[aek21]

Explain to me what Cara Via did wrong?Individuals acted badly resulting in the OP being unowned. Lor was there to notice this and declared. He didn't cause the OP to be unoccupied. Cara Via is a great guild and trying to portray them as unethical because they declared on an unoccupied OP is unfair. If The Soul want the OP just declare and take it but trying to incite the community against Cara Via to promote your own agenda is totally uncalled for.-Kilgoretrout

to make things clear i never blame any person and any guild that took advantage of the situation and not planning to
i apologise to any people or guild that may got offended but thats not my intention

further more i agree with u that if not caravia hadnt declare, someone else more likely would have done so

u may just got unlucky that u get first at the wrong place the right time :)

[wyeth]

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.

i dont doubt about that and i can understand you wanted to take this 'free guilded' op before someone else do it cause someone else would have done the same ...
But try to understand us ...we bought it (rundll : this op was for sale and we bought it as pointless as it is) and we didnt enjoy it ...and the most frustrating is that we didnt have a chance to defend it.

that s my leitmotiv to get it back :)

[xkt3zx]

i dont doubt about that and i can understand you wanted to take this 'free guilded' op before someone else do it cause someone else would have done the same ...
But try to understand us ...we bought it (rundll : this op was for sale and we bought it as pointless as it is) and we didnt enjoy it ...and the most frustrating is that we didnt have a chance to defend it.

that s my leitmotiv to get it back :)

Kostika say : I am pleased to announce that the guild of The Samsara has accepted the bid from Fasinus.
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22532&page=2&pp=10

I dont see anything about The Soul .... Real Owner was Fasinus

[davrick]

Explain to me what Cara Via did wrong?Individuals acted badly resulting in the OP being unowned. Lor was there to notice this and declared. He didn't cause the OP to be unoccupied. Cara Via is a great guild and trying to portray them as unethical because they declared on an unoccupied OP is unfair. If The Soul want the OP just declare and take it but trying to incite the community against Cara Via to promote your own agenda is totally uncalled for.-Kilgoretrout

I cannot agree more, top notch guild and group of players.

like me almost taking my moms op in matis with 3 ppl (me,Mastro and kaetami) because they underestimated us...btw i didnt want to take that OP because its my moms o.o

ahh, but you attacked in the morning when you knew your mom (Banestar) was at work and not able to spank her misbehaving son, lol

[varelse]

Outposts were designed to be contested, and I wish the Soul and their friends and allies the best of luck in getting and holding this one. We'll defend against the attack, not as personal (real life) enemies, but as fellow players who are enjoying the contest.

We don't expect to win this battle and we certainly do not require or expect any sympathy if we do lose. We also will continue to see fighters on both sides as respected members of the community and will continue to treat them as such.


See you on the battlefield =)

[iwojimmy]

Announcing your attack on public forums will result in more enemies being there ;)

its just a shame more DIDNT turn up, would have been a more interesting and challenging/enjoyable fight..

ah well, we take our fun where we can get it
:D

[hmclee]

I usually read the threads on this forum everyday and go away shaking my head in anger and frustration at the cruelty against the real life people behind the characters that is often expressed in alot of these threads. I didn't ever plan on entering the forum slugfest that goes on when someone gets upset with someone's in-game behaviour and actions then brings it to this forum to justify their own in-game behaviour and actions.

On this issue of Cara Via's integrity, I cannot be silent, however. I have been playing this game for 18 months and never once I have I seen this guild and its members behave in any manner that was not honourable and fair to the in-game community.

To any guild wishing to declare on an Outpost: You want it, declare. You want allies to help you, seek them out. You take it, you have it (until someone takes it from you).

Your justifications for your in-game behavior and actions only matter to me when they malign the reputation and integrity of another unfairly on this forum whether they are karavan, kami, neutral or neither.

Iverem Leffan-Citizen of Atys
Aeden Artisans-Tryker Guild of the Karavan

As said by Forrest Gump: Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get.

[andreaw]

Outposts were designed to be contested, and I wish the Soul and their friends and allies the best of luck in getting and holding this one. We'll defend against the attack, not as personal (real life) enemies, but as fellow players who are enjoying the contest.

We don't expect to win this battle and we certainly do not require or expect any sympathy if we do lose. We also will continue to see fighters on both sides as respected members of the community and will continue to treat them as such.


See you on the battlefield =)
What a lovely, considered post by Varelse. Just the kind of attitude that everybody appreciates :)

/respect
/curtsey
/thanks

[raven41]

ahh, but you attacked in the morning when you knew your mom (Banestar) was at work and not able to spank her misbehaving son, lol

lol i didnt know about it till after it started :P

[rheda]

The current owner is me and I do take exception to this statement. CaraVia had no involvement in the events that caused this outpost to become available and a simple tell from someone in the area of "Hey, come look at this!" was all that was necessary for me to get to this banner first. And I was first only by a couple of mins. Our postion on this whole matter has been discussed with GM.

I've seen simular comments about our declaration on the Lost Valley outpost also. And this was simply a case of watching the banner and waiting for defence time only to see it unexpectedly return to peace. Both Void outposts sat in that state for almost an hour.

CaraVia has always been an honorable guild, but many of the recent comments on the forum have been slanderous and have cut deeply. And it saddens me when speculation is taken as fact.


(NOTE: not readed the whole thread)


You guys seem to be missing something, for what i've read. Those outposts were not attacked only by Yaff/Fas. Those two outposts were to be returning to Kami faction hands. An in-game event to discuss who should take over those outpost had to be held some time if defence rounds were won.

So now.... can you say the attacker was really Yaff/Fas only? I was in attack rounds, and I would tell you we were many kami faction players fighting to recover zorai lands outposts, and we HAD to fight, run, die, and waste 3 hours of gameplay on that. Not for fas, but for the kami faction. And we had some nice enough threasholds to try defence on both outposts... THAT'S what enrages me. The attack thresholds were lost just because the declaring guild's leader was messed up with something it's still not clear enough (and nevrax will enver tell despite all the rumors here in forums... yeah, let the confusion grow, nice thing, although i know it's a complex situation), but that's not a fault of the Kami faction, don't you think?

Cara via, I am not talking on behalf of my guild, as this is a completely personal thing. But i can now say you're just oportunistic. And I dunno how long you're gonna hold that outpost, but I will support every attacking guild, no matter how long must I stay out of bed (after all I don't mind trashing some more sleep hours), just to see you leave some day.

[EDIT]
/tar Kali
/respectful

[lexi44]

(NOTE: not readed the whole thread)


You guys seem to be missing something, for what i've read. Those outposts were not attacked only by Yaff/Fas. Those two outposts were to be returning to Kami faction hands. An in-game event to discuss who should take over those outpost had to be held some time if defence rounds were won.

So now.... can you say the attacker was really Yaff/Fas only? I was in attack rounds, and I would tell you we were many kami faction players fighting to recover zorai lands outposts, and we HAD to fight, run, die, and waste 3 hours of gameplay on that. Not for fas, but for the kami faction. And we had some nice enough threasholds to try defence on both outposts... THAT'S what enrages me. The attack thresholds were lost just because the declaring guild's leader was messed up with something it's still not clear enough (and nevrax will enver tell despite all the rumors here in forums... yeah, let the confusion grow, nice thing, although i know it's a complex situation), but that's not a fault of the Kami faction, don't you think?

Cara via, I am not talking on behalf of my guild, as this is a completely personal thing. But i can now say you're just oportunistic. And I dunno how long you're gonna hold that outpost, but I will support every attacking guild, no matter how long must I stay out of bed (after all I don't mind trashing some more sleep hours), just to see you leave some day.

[EDIT]
/tar Kali
/respectful


You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. However, I think you are also missing something. The fact is, OP's are held by ONE guild...no matter how many "pay" for it (in dappers, or virtual blood). It doesn't matter if one guild "bought" the OP or if ten guilds did...it is still held by only ONE guild.

I can understand the desire to keep "jungle" OP's in the hands of Kami's. It is the same as me believing that Forest OP's belong in Karavan hands. I also believe in *fighting* for what I think is right. If you want the Jungle OP's in Kami hands....then fight for them.

And yes, you were correct - Nevrax will never tell us the entire truth behind what those who were banned did to deserve that punishment. It's none of our business, no matter how many rumors fly. It is only between Nevrax and those who were banned....I think if you liked Fasi/Yaffle/Keiko....then you should respect their right to privacy.

Calling CaraVia "opportunistic", as I said, is your opinion. It is my opinion that *any* guild that would have clicked that banner was taking advantage of the opportunity....but too bad, *someone* had to do it. It could have just as easily been clicked on by a Kami guild, but it wasn't. So are you saying it only would have been "okay" if a Kami guild had got there first...but it's "wrong" because it happened to be a Karavan guild?

Personally, I feel that in the future, if a guild leader of a guild that holds an OP is banned, then Nevrax should allow that guild to appoint a new GL to take over the guild and any OP in it's control. In this case, I'm not sure if that was possible since it could have been the entire guild that was banned (I don't know how much of Fasi's guild was just Fasi/Yaffle/Keiko and alts of them).

[lorac]

I, like many others was waiting for the defense phase on the void OP's. I usually go to the OP in question early and grab the banner so I can keep an eye on the timers. I was in Yrk when Lost Valley defaulted to peace. I had time to discuss the situation with friends and send someone to declare. Lost Valley sat in peace for 50mins before we declared. Biestable, I heard you were actually in the OP when we declared. Why didn't you grab it for yourself?

[raven41]

He is not complaining about having to fight for them ..he is complaining about ahving to fight again for them ..because after winning the attack round the attacking guild was deleted so they waisted 2 hours of fighting just so the kara could take it back without the being able to defend ...

Atleast thats how I read his post ...I could be wrong...But if im right I agree with him ...that its not right... likewise if roles were reversed..it would still be just as wrong ...So don't try to make it look like he is ONLY mad because Kara got it ... He is mad at the way they got it after waisting 2 hours winning just to lose without being able to fight...

Now its over ...If kami can take it im betting they will ...If not im sure they will try anyway ...Lets move on please this is getting old now we cant change it so lets deal with it ...

Signed~
~Redslayer~

[rheda]

I, like many others was waiting for the defense phase on the void OP's. I usually go to the OP in question early and grab the banner so I can keep an eye on the timers. I was in Yrk when Lost Valley defaulted to peace. I had time to discuss the situation with friends and send someone to declare. Lost Valley sat in peace for 50mins before we declared. Biestable, I heard you were actually in the OP when we declared. Why didn't you grab it for yourself?

First of all, Redslayed was the one who interpreted my words well... sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

On the other side, yes, i was right next to the Lost Valley Outpost flag Because we noticed it was back in peace... and know what? I did not hit declare, and know why? Because although we were about to do that, we felt it was wrong... that's something that happens when you see a guild banished all of the sudden on those circumstances... And I would have spoken to your guildie if i weren't busy talking rithe when he came speeding to hit the declare button.

You did precisely what we felt it wasn't the right thing to do... just remember we got NO news for what happened right then.

That's what happens, i immagine, when you try to do things being reasonable. And know i feel like a dumb because we should have declared only to protect it from such oportunistic declarations until things were settled.
Just read the mail our leader Xeraphim sent to Nevrax. He wanted to have those two outposts blocked from attacks until all that mess was finished, and try to decide the fair thing to do with those outposts.

To me, that's common sense, i know that to some others, i will just be a fool.

A proud fool.

[dbritt]

I just wanted to say one thing, and like Red says, lets move on..

All I keep hearing about is 'wasted time'. Well, you've only wasted two hours, maybe a little bit more on this. Compaired to alot of people that have wasted hours upon hours upon HOURS because of people declaring on 4 OPs at a time. I personally can remember 5 times myself i sat in an OP, just in case someone showed up. So compaired to me and quite a few others, your still kinda an amature at wasting time.

Goodbye forums, maybe someday I'll return

H

[rheda]

I just wanted to say one thing, and like Red says, lets move on..

All I keep hearing about is 'wasted time'. Well, you've only wasted two hours, maybe a little bit more on this. Compaired to alot of people that have wasted hours upon hours upon HOURS because of people declaring on 4 OPs at a time. I personally can remember 5 times myself i sat in an OP, just in case someone showed up. So compaired to me and quite a few others, your still kinda an amature at wasting time.

Goodbye forums, maybe someday I'll return

H

well, yes, and i hate those false declarations, and i'm against them, precisely for what you stated above. I agree with you.

But that's not the only thing. It's more the fact than making a successful call to the Kami community to help in outpost battles is often not that easy, as well as finding a suitable time for all of us to come... But that's a completely different thing.

[lexi44]

I apologize if I misunderstood what happened. I had thought that Fasi already held the OP (bought from Samsara). I didn't realize they were *in* the attack phase of claiming the OP they "bought" when all of the bannings took place.

Or am I still misunderstanding the turn of events? lol

Even if the above were true - what could have been done about it? Have everyone stand around until someone from MoV arrived to click on it (I think they've said they paid half the 'purchase' price)? Which kind of brings me to the question...why *wasn't* someone from MoV there to do it?

Anyway, I think there's been enough nastiness between players/guilds lately...and calling CaraVia "opportunistic" isn't doing anything but inflaming an already messed-up situation (which actually you can all blame on Fasi/Kye/Keiko and Padawan in the first place). If they hadn't broken the rules, none of this would have happened.

[lathan]

I apologize if I misunderstood what happened. I had thought that Fasi already held the OP (bought from Samsara). I didn't realize they were *in* the attack phase of claiming the OP they "bought" when all of the bannings took place.

Just to clarify, Fasi held the one OP (in FF) on his alt guild KoO. This was due to be given to The Soul the day (iirc) after all this happened. The two OPs in Void were owned by COM, but a kami alliance had decided to reclaim them for the zorai guilds some days before. The attack phase had been completed on both OPs, with the kami reaching thr 14 on LV and 11 on Zo-kian. If won, the OPs would have gone to kami guilds voted for by the participants of the attack afterwards.

When the abhorrant act of clearing out two accounts and using the same access to effectively delete the OP attacks as well as the guild holding the OP in FF, the kami went from owning one OP, and having a very good chance of reclaiming at least one more in void, to having none of them.

[dakhound]

just a note to see how the defense phase went,

some people have work and cant wait up till 3am :(

[rheda]

just a note to see how the defense phase went,

some people have work and cant wait up till 3am :(

Defense phase was won by the soul, after a few rounds consideering the high threashold they got.

[dakhound]

*runs off to bug some souls for xp crystals ;)

[sehracii]

I hope The Soul are paying the Samsara the auction price on Woodburn after they convinced so many to side with them as the "rightful owners" :)

Otherwise people may feel a bit manipulated....

[dakhound]

I hope The Soul are paying the Samsara the auction price on Woodburn after they convinced so many to side with them as the "rightful owners" :)

Otherwise people may feel a bit manipulated....

how could anyone feel manipulated?

the problems stemming from the op sale were out of the souls control, I fought alongside the souls and I sure dont feel manipulated

either way its for them to sort out

[sluggo0]

We dont' have Fasinus' word that Soul was the rightful owner, that's the 'may feel manipulated' part above.

The Soul isn't being accused of being responsible for Fasi's ban, he is responsible for that himself ;).

It's the sudden (from the outside) claim that 'the 'rightful' owner was other than the actual owner, Fasinus' alt character was the only owner that was possible for anyone outside of The Soul or Fasi to know.

The cynical person could look at this thusly:
'Anyone could easily claim that the banned owner's property really was being taken for them.'

To be honest, I dont' get in any way why the Soul didn't declare on the outpost in the first place, why was the alt guild necessary at all? If Samsara wanted to 'keep interference away', they could very trivially ban the defending guilds just like Infinity did when they handed their OP to Citizenz of Matis, this has always been supported with Outposts.

Hopefully, the nonsense with false guilds and alt guilds declaring is behind us. Using imaginary guilds is not necessary when alliances hold resources, if you can trust the HO's in one of the allied guilds then false guilds are not necessary at all. We know right now that either faction will come and defend/attack as needed, making all this imaginary guild unnecessary, and hopefully a thing of the past.

[vguerin]

To be honest, I dont' get in any way why the Soul didn't declare on the outpost in the first place, why was the alt guild necessary at all? If Samsara wanted to 'keep interference away', they could very trivially ban the defending guilds just like Infinity did when they handed their OP to Citizenz of Matis, this has always been supported with Outposts.

Hopefully, the nonsense with false guilds and alt guilds declaring is behind us. Using imaginary guilds is not necessary when alliances hold resources, if you can trust the HO's in one of the allied guilds then false guilds are not necessary at all. We know right now that either faction will come and defend/attack as needed, making all this imaginary guild unnecessary, and hopefully a thing of the past.This hits the nail on the head... well said !

[wyeth]

I hope The Soul are paying the Samsara the auction price on Woodburn after they convinced so many to side with them as the "rightful owners" :)

Otherwise people may feel a bit manipulated....


Hello i'm Simona leader of The Soul guild.


As u all know by now the old Samsara op was brought by KoO -Fasinus guild and The Soul too for others that don't know.

By saturday we was due to take the op as part of the deal between us and KoO.

We paid half of the price for the op and decided to share it between us.

I find the events lately strange and this affects us directly as a guild so no matter what happend with this ''fast'' declaring war from Cara Via to op we will atack it because this is out of order.

I'm not sure what happend in KoO but we both lost the op and not due to any action of The Soul .

We are asking all our friends kami's and kara's to help us retake the op that we lost without even enjoying the time owning it and then KA and all the others can come atack it because we dont realy mind we just want our moneys worth :P

-ty all for reading my boring second post-


Why would we pay twice ?

[sehracii]

250 mill dapps.
25 stacks ql 250 each week.
flowers whenever ya need.
OP mats, u will get all aslong i have 5 left.
free help for bosshunt.
life time jewels, any ql.
10000 grind mats (whatever ya need).
24 hours free heal out of team.

*creative enough?*

~!Fasi!~

The price it was sold for included many continuous payments- I thought that would continue. If a one-off payment was arranged, ignore me. ;)

[oldmess]

The price it was sold for included many continuous payments- I thought that would continue. If a one-off payment was arranged, ignore me. ;)
IMO, since the Soul has now won it in open combat from Cara Via, I believe they should be free of any further obligation. But that's just my opinion. After all, if CV had successfully defended it, they would not be obligated to pay any thing to the Samsara.

[sehracii]

IMO, since the Soul has now won it in open combat from Cara Via, I believe they should be free of any further obligation. But that's just my opinion. After all, if CV had successfully defended it, they would not be obligated to pay any thing to the Samsara.

I agree in principle, but I think the claim or "rightful" ownership determined the outcome ahead of time. Compared to Lost Valley there wasn't much of a battle at Woodburn.

[varelse]

This is just one homin's opinion, of course but...

The Soul and their allies have won this outpost in open combat after a direct challenge to Cara Via's holding of it. I congratulate them on the victory and would like to add that I enjoyed the defense phase battle very much. Now that the Soul controls this outpost, any agreements they may have with other parties as a result of this victory are their business, and no one else's.

Let's just play the game eh?

:D

[jamela]

Exactly! Well said again, Kali :)

I argue with you ingame sometimes ... hmmm .. is that a CvP conflict? Hehe, I dunno. Would you turn on your forum PMs, though?

[raven41]

I agree Kali :) now im going back to playing my offline game because I was recently annoyed ..*mumbles about being killed while he was afk by a varinx* ...