GoJ - Gu-Qin Workshop

[ryzomex]

GoJ - Guardians of Jena / Kara / Tryke / Semi-RP

Gu-Qin Workshop was recently declared on by us and we have taken control of it.

GoJ is looking into sharing the OP Treasures with Kara and Neutral Guilds that don’t fight against the Kara.

Mardock HO in GoJ will handle the Free give aways.

Exisstenz GL in GoJ will handle the trade.

Please feel free to contact us so we can set up a roster and get started on how we are going to handle this. Please assign 1 Person per Guild to contact us and set something up.

This Post is here to inform peeps of our attentions. We are not going to discus or ague about anything here. Thank you.

[rushin]

now thats a very, very good tactic for ensuring weaker attacks in the future.

i appreciate the sneakiness even if i'm not sure it's necessary :)

[komissar]

I remember we were discussing in another thread about Eleytheria holding a community Outpost for kami/neutral sharing. And there was a post about how the Eleytheria shouldn't share with kara... And about how kara ashould have a community op of their own...

Well this looks like a kara-neutral community op just in response to that thread, nothing more nothing less.

And Rushin, pls say those things you just said AFTER the kami force takes a single op away from karavan, not before ok? :) You know we can stand united and defend outposts and come in numbers, so what's the point of sarcasm here mate? Just painting karavan black for the fun of it? :) Well it might be fun but it's getting kinda old and moldy...

[katriell]

"Community OPs" are good things.

[alhanna]

Actually, the op that Eley holds is not for Kamis/Neutrals only. ANYONE who is not holding an outpost can have a piece of that OP, if they but sign up for it. Kamis/Karas/Neutrals/purple polka dotted mystics, whatever. :)

[rushin]

wasn't sarcasm, it was a serious comment.

It's a good tactic for a conflict. It's easy to argue that you are doing it out of the goodness of your own hearts, but its equally obvious a knock on effect is that neutral guilds will have a reason not to side with the kami in the future.

I'm not moaning/complaining/bitching, just pointing out my point of view. i think thats allowed :)

[komissar]

Ok sorry If i mistook it for sarcazm - my bad :)

But I was just saying there is no need for karavan to use sneaky tactics atm. That's it.

This offer is exactly what it is - a community op for Kara and neutral, since the Eley thread clearly stated kara guilds are unwanted at that op share.

So far we have:

Phaedras Tears,
Anissa (Jena's lost tribe)
Aajolea (Matisian royal lancers)
Veni Vedi Vici
The Dragonblades
ReD (kara noobie guild)
Stormchaser (solo guild)
The new hope
Needed Storage :)

Please sign in if you are kara, neutral or even kami not actively fighting against kara. And we will put you on the list aswell :)

[aardnebb]

Dont VVV and Dragonblades already have OPs?

[komissar]

They do but those ops are lower q. So for them it will be 1-1 exchange instead of free giveway :)

[aardnebb]

Ahh makes sense. Kewl.

You know, it occurs to me some neutrals could make a killing, sign up to community OPs on both sides and never show to an OP battle.

Boring though :P

[wardone]

Ahh makes sense. Kewl.

You know, it occurs to me some neutrals could make a killing, sign up to community OPs on both sides and never show to an OP battle.

Boring though :P

ok how about this lets all go neutral :p
even more boring


rofl

[komissar]

Well Yeah, but it doesn't trouble me much tbh.

We are ready to help anyone who doesn't fight against us.
And if someone else is helping them at the same time? so what?

Just means people got lotsa friends :)

[sprite]

You know, it occurs to me some neutrals could make a killing, sign up to community OPs on both sides and never show to an OP battle.

Boring though :POccurs to me that some neutrals don't like PvP anyway and this would be a perfect solution :D

[nillian]

Can I ask to stick the Insomniacs on that list please? :)

[komissar]

Sure can :) They will remnain on the list as long as they do not attack the karavan alliance at outpost fights :)

edit: done ;)

[ryzomex]

Please feel free to contact us so we can set up a roster and get started on how we are going to handle this. Please assign 1 Person per Guild to contact us and set something up.
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There I am Quoteing myself ;)

[rundll32]

lol now thats some confidence!

setting up rosters for handouts after the op is declared on

rock on :)

[nonde]

neutral guilds will have a reason not to side with the kami in the future.

It strikes me this issue can only be addressed by kami following the kara's good examples of which this is but one of many :)

Zysha

[odyvek]

Lol rundll yes thats some confidence :), Quite frankly i dont really care to whom the op belongs, kami kara or neutrals, but i seem to start liking pvp since my 56k modem is in the dustiest box in the fartherest corner of my house and brand new and shiny broadband is..well broadbanding :) so sorry karas but ill help out with the kami attempt to overtake the op. Then again who really cares about 400hp healer anyways :p

And youve changed your siggy Rundll :(

See you all on Atys *huggles*

[nonde]

it occurs to me some neutrals could make a killing, sign up to community OPs on both sides and never show to an OP battle.

Do the maths Zahan, and also consider time. There were persons who at the time I commenced to manage Southend Dune Farms in March had yet to see a single cat or mat from an op. Average out what they got would be less than one stack a week most probably. There are 13 on the listed roster for Southend atm, some are guilds who will receive a larger share so ?40-60 homins are dividing up 4 days output between them, and this becomes an even more laughable "killing" if u look at the Q250 cats - 5 stacks to be shared by some 50 ppl Zahan.

My personal "killing" is in the order of .25 stacks of Q250 cats a week, yes a week, if averaged from launch. I have fought in defense, I have crafted for, donated mats to several guilds and received nada - grass looks a whole lot greener on ur side of the fence to me.

Zysha

[nonde]

and on that note, add me too plz Ex :)

Zysha

Needed Storage - but not for cats lol

[komissar]

Frankly Zysha you have more right to these cats we are sharing here than anyone else...

certainly added.

[aardnebb]

My personal "killing" is in the order of .25 stacks of Q250 cats a week, yes a week, if averaged from launch. I have fought in defense, I have crafted for, donated mats to several guilds and received nada - grass looks a whole lot greener on ur side of the fence to me.

Zysha

My side of the fence? Heh... my side is we sold our q250 OP cos it wasnt worth the trouble, the pain it caused our guild members. I had a long post written about what exactly is involved in our current crystal supply... but I decided its not really worth the flaming. Basically if you want crystals, I know you are a pretty high level digger, try taking Ciri's offer on the bazaar thread. Its pretty good offer comparatively really, 1k mats takes about the time of an OP battle for a decent digger, and has a hell of a lot less cost in damage to Sup PvP gear. I'm sure there are other ways you can work for crystals as well.

I agree that things as are are unfair. But frankly,if someone is a neutral with no interest in PvP then signing on to multiple community OPs and getting even a small ammount of crystals for no work at all sounds like a fairly good deal.

*shrugs* just a thought.

[jamela]

Thankyou for thinking of Phaedrea's Tears, Komissar, but please strike us from the list of beneficiaries. I don't like to become entangled in politics without my knowledge and consent. Hope to see you later on :)

[myseren]

Frankly Zysha you have more right to these cats we are sharing here than anyone else...

certainly added.

just out of interest, if the OP is owned by GoJ and they are in charge of the sharing out, why is it that Komi, of OoTn seems to be the one in charge of the list?

[ryzomex]

GoJ - Guardians of Jena / Kara / Tryke / Semi-RP

Gu-Qin Workshop was recently declared on by us and we have taken control of it.

GoJ is looking into sharing the OP Treasures with Kara and Neutral Guilds that don’t fight against the Kara.

Mardock HO in GoJ will handle the Free give aways.

Exisstenz GL in GoJ will handle the trade.

Please feel free to contact us so we can set up a roster and get started on how we are going to handle this. Please assign 1 Person per Guild to contact us and set something up.

This Post is here to inform peeps of our attentions. We are not going to discus or ague about anything here. Thank you.


Plz read this again.

If you feel your guild fits into the above mentioned please contact us as mentioned in above, oh and read the bottom line.

Thank you.

[rundll32]

OOTN have good relations with GoJ, and theres nothing Komi likes more than to organise things :)

[dakhound]

and theres nothing Komi likes more than to organise things :)

and from what I see he does a good job

[targosz]

and from what I see he does a good job
AMEN...pls pls don't take this away from him or we will be in big troubles beacuse of his boredome lol

[komissar]

Lol thanks guys for your attention to my modest self :D

However with sadness I must ask GoJ to remove the "Insomniacs" from the list since they don't fit the description of a neutral guild that does not fight against karavaneer alliance guilds.

To prove it I post this screenie here. http://red-io.ru/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=226.0;attach=203

The screenie was taken at a recent Op fight and the blue insomniacs tree is clearly visible in the middle.

[thlau]

L
To prove it I post this screenie here. http://red-io.ru/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=226.0;attach=204;i mage

I think this screenie proves nothing, as there is no screenie visible.

[katriell]

To prove it I post this screenie here. http://red-io.ru/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=226.0;attach=204;i mage

Just use imageshack (http://imageshack.us)...

[kayak]

ok to clear a few things up since i can't acccess the screenie but i knwo which OP battle you were refering to......

a while back the karavan alliance attacked our freinds the soul in flaming forest. nillian was away and i decided to turn up to help defend. from this post i must have missunderstood the terms..

Sure can :) They will remnain on the list as long as they do not attack the karavan alliance at outpost fights :)

edit: done ;)

i have never or never will join an attack against any outpost be it kami karavan or neutral and neither will any member of my guild.

we will however defend our freinds. i have defended karavan owned op's in the past (order of the namelass and pegasus foundation) aswell as neutral (samsara) and kami (soul) and i will even defend your OP if it is ever attacked. i do not look at faction when making my freinds. from what was written above it was unclear as to what i was able to do
please pm me ingame and we can sit down and discuss options. if need be i'm happy to resign leadership to nillian and go solo so that the insomniacs can be put back on the list.

[totnkopf]

i have never or never will join an attack against any outpost be it kami karavan or neutral and neither will any member of my guild.
Touché!!!!

[aardnebb]

Heh yes, certain members of the KA have been horrified that people are willing to kill poor innocent attacking KA in defence of their friends...

We got the same kinda abuse for fighting defensively before selling our OP. See, its not just enough that you not attack the KA, you aren't allowed to defend yourself or your friends at all, or you automatically become the worst kind of Karavan bashing Kami fanatic...

meh, I shouldnt post at this time in the morning. It makes me twitchier than usual.

EDIT: to clarify, this abuse was not from _ALL_ KA, just a certain vocal minority. We all know the ones I am sure.

[thlau]

To prove it I post this screenie here. http://red-io.ru/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=226.0;attach=203

The new url doesn't show the screenie either, Kommisar.
If you want to prove anything, don't force us to register to your forum. All I get is a forum login page (I think it is a login page, as I can't read cyrillic letters)

[5c0rp]

tbh i think that you would be better off talking to GoJ in game han posting here on the forums and from the wording of the agreement it does indeed say attack and does not refer to the defense of friends.

[komissar]

Hmm sorry I didn't realise the picture will be invisible on that source...

Try here http://pechalno-kogda.pisem.net/screenshot000.jpg

And in the beginning of the thread it was written: "Please sign in if you are kara, neutral or even kami not actively fighting against kara."

It didn't say attack or defense. It said "fighting against".

However you still gotta discuss it with GoJ since it's their op after all...

[thlau]

In my opinion the goal of Kommisar was to public annonce that the Karavan Alliance now considers the guild Insomniacs enemy. I for my part am not suprised about such kind of action, since this is how I experienced the Karavan Alliance does politics. Maybe the Guardians of Jena should do the negotiations themselves, and should not use an advocat of the Order of the Nameless.

Trini

[ghyselsj]

And maybe you should stop assuming things, since the KA has no official spokesman, and does not make public announcements.

Now let's do as Exisstenz asked, and keep this thread clear of any discussions. Take it to PM's or another thread if you like.

Greets,

[kayak]

i agree this shoudl be discussed ingame hence me posting this:

please pm me ingame and we can sit down and discuss options..

And in the beginning of the thread it was written: "Please sign in if you are kara, neutral or even kami not actively fighting against kara."

yep you are right but i was't fighting against the KA i was defending against.. slight differance. it woud be the same if someone attacked your OP and i was helping to defend that. but please pm me ingame i'm online all day but will be afk/at work till 530/6pm uk time

[komissar]

In my opinion the goal of Kommisar was to public annonce that the Karavan Alliance now considers the guild Insomniacs enemy. .... should not use an advocat of the Order of the Nameless.

Trini

Nope that was not my goal at all. But what does it matter really? after such assumptions you can call me "Devils advocat" aswell LOL

Geez Trini did I step on your foot or something? :D
So much hatred for the karavan alliance and why?

Anyways. Insomniacs gotta talk to Ex or Mardock of GoJ to make things clear and settle everything kk?

And my answer to Trini is: Sure :) Anything you say :) Can I hand you another rock to throw at us? :) There you go dear *hands nice heavy rock* :D

[5c0rp]

Sorry Koni you have been doing a great job on this for both GoJ and the KA I just felt that specific situations should be dealt with in game via tell or via pm in the forums.

Please continue to promote this as you have been as you have been doing a hell of a job. Thanks for the great work my friend.

[arfindel]

So, as a rule, guild receiving anything from the KA need to never defend their friends (or better not have friends outside the KA, that would make things simpler), ask in advance which whom make their alliances, give explanations for their acts even if they are clear and explicit?

Wooohoo, and what else, what next?

You should check your dictionary, dear friends. Sharing happens between peers; there's no synonymy to charity.

[komissar]

Yeah Scorp maybe you are right mate :)
but matters such as this need to be solved as soon as they appear.
And I proposed just that: talk to GoJ GL and Hos :)

p.s. Allthough I have been even called "k A mi" instead of komi so many times even in our guildchat lool i still would kindly ask you to spell it right :)

To Faa: No, no and no. But... I can answer in Russian as well since my answer wouldn't matter lol :D These threads are for the anti-karavan posts and my ones just don't qualify :)

There you go: Кнопка "повтор" работает безотказно и включается на любой форумный пост: повтор "ааа мля долбаные карванцы мучают, продыху не дают, всех бы их сук к ногтю прибрать, чтоб нам дышать было вольготно"... повтор и по новой.
Господа, пойдите займитесь рукоблудием, если Вам так милы однообразные повторяющиеся движения :)

And... My dictionary is russian-english I consult it quite often thank you :D

[thlau]

And my answer to Trini is: Sure :) Anything you say :) Can I hand you another rock to throw at us? :) There you go dear *hands nice heavy rock* :D
Hi Komissar,

you could enable Private Messaging (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/profile.php?do=editoptions) then my aim would be more exact, and I will not loose the focus on the main subject of the thread. And ofcourse it would pleasure Rocci if we didn't discuss these matters not public but in secret.

Thank you for the nice stone, I will use it in the appropriate situation. :D

Trini

[vguerin]

So, as a rule, guild receiving anything from the KA need to never defend their friends (or better not have friends outside the KA, that would make things simpler), ask in advance which whom make their alliances, give explanations for their acts even if they are clear and explicit?Are you really questioning someone expecting you not to help their enemies, when they are aiding you ?

If you ask me to make you a sword, should I expect to have that same sword stuck in my back later by one of YOUR friends ? There is no loyalty in your methods whatsoever, you can have friends anywhere but it crosses the line when you mix loyalties.

[komissar]

you could enable Private Messaging (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/profile.php?do=editoptions) then my aim would be more exact

Wow thanks :) As a matter of fact all this time I couldn't figure out where to turn it on :) Now it's on :)

Launch those homing babes ;)

[arfindel]

Are you really questioning someone expecting you not to help their enemies, when they are aiding you ?

If you ask me to make you a sword, should I expect to have that same sword stuck in my back later by one of YOUR friends ? There is no loyalty in your methods whatsoever, you can have friends anywhere but it crosses the line when you mix loyalties.

If I ask you to make me a sword I expect to pay for it and use it against anyone I wish or need.

But if you ask _me_ to accept a sword publicly claiming that you're a sharing champion of the homins, then you're in your right to expect me to _not attack_ you, but in no right on Atys whatsoever to expect me to become your obedient subject.

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Komissar, to my saddness I don't know Lermontov's language. If it was a missunderstanding from translating things, then I am sorry.

What made me interfere was that I find unacceptable to see one of the most respected players in ths game (id est Sash) asked to give explanations in public for defending his friends, while if there was anything to clear that could have been done in game or even over the forums via PM.

As you can see from other people posts, there are homins who consider sharing equal to buying vassals.

[komissar]

But I didn't ask any explanations at all :) I just stated a point.
These "required explanations" were made up along the way just like all other "horrible karavan crimes" tm :D

and...

If you ask _me_ to accept a sword publicly claiming that you're a sharing champion of the homins, then you're in your right to expect me to _not attack_ you

There you just supported our viewpoint ;)

As for lermontovs tongue, as I said it doesn't matter what I write. So I can write it in Greek or Russian or Urdu or whatever :) There will be many people to assume, distort and vocalise my opinions in any way they like. That is what I mean by dictionary... translating my words into yours.

[arfindel]

[...]There you just supported our viewpoint ;)

Oh well, maybe that dictionary should be used more.

... who was "us" by the way?

[komissar]

Oh well, maybe that dictionary should be used more.


Now that statement is simply not nice...

I frankly thought you were a better person than that :(
Guess i was wrong...

[grimjim]

Now that statement is simply not nice...

I frankly thought you were a better person than that :(
Guess i was wrong...

Whether you percieve it that way or not you are coming across arrogant, nasty and aggressive. A little more care might go a long way or you will continue to rub people up the wrong way.

[komissar]

Hmm oh well. Perceptions perceptions...

In a reply to an argument a person says that I don't know enough english to understand what is being written. It looks abusive to me... But then again maybe i should consult that dictionary more often :) After all I am a Lermontov tongue speaker ;)

And after that you call me nasty and agressive :)

What else is there to say... Way to go...

[grimjim]

Hmm oh well. Perceptions perceptions...

In a reply to an argument a person says that I don't know enough english to understand what is being written. It looks abusive to me... But then again maybe i should consult that dictionary more often :) After all I am a Lermontov tongue speaker ;)

And after that you call me nasty and agressive :)

What else is there to say... Way to go...

That's why they've reacted to you in such a way.
You open with a 'Nyah, nyah! Caught you being naughty!' type post and then it degenerates from there through misunderstanding.

Ah well, effort made.

[xeraphim]

This whole OP situation is a sham..
Any attepmts to make it seem rightious or philanthropic are futile.
I suggest this thread is left to its own devices and the bickering is ended.
So let them eat their Ill gotten cake..
Balance and justice take time... yet they will prevail in the end...

[wardone]

And maybe you should stop assuming things, since the KA has no official spokesman, and does not make public announcements.



ahh so no one to blame when the S**t hits the fan !! nice tactic think the kami should adopt a similar setup ;)

[komissar]

Why? do kami have an official spokesman?
aaah Good old Jyudas maybe? ;)

[mehanson]

Why? do kami have an official spokesman?
aaah Good old Jyudas maybe? ;)

Not Likely, Jyudas is about as neutral as they come, faction-wise.

[ajsuk]

bahahahaha!! :D - ahem... *regains composure*

[ryzomex]

I've made a new post,so you all can continue to flame this 1.

Have fun.

Ty

[grimjim]

bahahahaha!! :D - ahem... *regains composure*

Unless you drink whatever they put in the water in Matis apparently.

[kayak]

so that i don't clutter up the newly created thread i'll post this here.

after discussion with exisstenz ingame it is clear i did break the terms of this particular OP's rules. i see this now and while i don't fully agree with their veiws i respect them and i'm happy to be removed from his list.

to clear up teh confusion.....

no person on the list may partake in any form of pvp against a member of the KA. this includes but not limited to:
being on the attacking side at an OP battle
being on the defending side at an OP battle
wearing your faction tag AND engaging in combat (even healing)
enaging in open pvp in prime roots and other open pvp areas (even to defend yourself) (i guess i broke that already when i fired my lvl 1 fear at rundll for a joke :p)


i'm sure i have missed some out but i hope i have helped clear up the main missunderstanding that i personally had and i hope no new members have the same missunderstanding in the future.

to komissar: next time you think somone should be removed from the list please contact ppl ingame and dont' splash it across the forums in a 'name and shame' kind of way. the way that this was handled i was quite offended

[grimjim]

no person on the list may partake in any form of pvp against a member of the KA. this includes but not limited to:
being on the attacking side at an OP battle
being on the defending side at an OP battle
wearing your faction tag AND engaging in combat (even healing)
enaging in open pvp in prime roots and other open pvp areas (even to defend yourself) (i guess i broke that already when i fired my lvl 1 fear at rundll for a joke :p)

That's *Clucking meticulous*.

[totnkopf]

no person on the list may partake in any form of pvp against a member of the KA. this includes but not limited to:
being on the attacking side at an OP battle
being on the defending side at an OP battle
wearing your faction tag AND engaging in combat (even healing)
enaging in open pvp in prime roots and other open pvp areas (even to defend yourself)
ah... its 'easy-mode' pvp. If they attack you, they're assured a win by the fact that you are not allowed to defend yourself. If you do defend yourself, then they remove your cat supply. And once the kara move on to neutral OPs, you can't go defend your friends or even your own OP (you'd break the contract at that point, I know, but thats what the wording could mean). Never thought that the KA would be running from opponents
enaging in open pvp in prime roots and other open pvp areas (even to defend yourself)
that one is just plain stupid since they started it (if you're defending yourself, they're obviously the attackers...) so at any time they could attack you for the hell of it (there have been people who would do such a thing....) and not have to worry about losing. They either win by killing the person who hasn't defended themselves or they 'win' by removing the cat supply to that person.

[aardnebb]

Heh, when the conditions of _exactly_ what this means comes out, it does kinda remove the purpose as a propaganda device...

And well, what do you expect for a guild of 10 people holding a q200 OP just because of the alliance backing?

[totnkopf]

Heh, when the conditions of _exactly_ what this means comes out, it does kinda remove the purpose as a propaganda device...

And well, what do you expect for a guild of 10 people holding a q200 OP just because of the alliance backing?
you could say that about a number of OP holding guilds.

All the more reason to allow GvG only OP battles. I still wonder if someone were to ask for it to be a guild vs guild event if it would actually happen. We considered it back in Jan with a couple different guilds and came to the conclusion that other people would get involved (either by joining the guild temporarily to make it 'legal' or would come to defend their friends even though they're not guilded).

[komissar]

to komissar: next time you think somone should be removed from the list please contact ppl ingame and dont' splash it across the forums in a 'name and shame' kind of way. the way that this was handled i was quite offended

I am trully SORRY if i offended you Sashtan, because no offense was meant. I respect you a lot and there was no name and shame splash intended.

1. I didn't know it was you because i only saw the blue symbol with a tree. I never named anyone in this thread. But the name wouldn't matter to me since it's the guild that particpates...

2. I prefer to set things straight. So i knew beforehand that this will turn into a flamefest and still i posted this because the thing has to be settled and cleared.

3. I didn't want to just remove Insomniacs from list and keep it secret. I wanted this to be open and fair. I might be an arrogant/agressive/nasty/imperialistic MF as it was stated here but I never do things behind your back...

4. What Shame are you talking about??? You defended your friends didn't you??? YOu played the game the way you consider right?? So where is the shame??

5. So as I said. I am sorry if this offended you. The OP belongs to GoJ and they decide how to share it's produce. I am not in charge I only helped them a bit with organising things. The decision they made shows that I was right...


And Sashtan I have always respected and will always respect you. You however are free to consider me an enemy personally if the offense was that great... But... Would i have been in your shoes I would do exactly the same for my friends and consider it right and honorable...

The summ up that you made is not exactly correct, and i hope you know that . You are offended and bitter and that I can well understand. I am sorry...

[kayak]

The summ up that you made is not exactly correct, and i hope you know that . You are offended and bitter and that I can well understand. I am sorry...

thank you for the apology komissar. i've been around long enough not to bare grudges for long and.. wait a sec.. hang on.. pfft there it goes.. business as usuall :D

if you look at the image closely you can see my name next to the symbol and a 'target eye'

also in the sys info it says 'sashtan paries your attack'

it's a nice screenie btw :) and in all fairness that was probably one of the best most fun OP battles on atys. it was so tantilisingly close for the whole 2 hrs

that one is just plain stupid since they started it (if you're defending yourself, they're obviously the attackers...) so at any time they could attack you for the hell of it (there have been people who would do such a thing....) and not have to worry about losing. They either win by killing the person who hasn't defended themselves or they 'win' by removing the cat supply to that person.

that was one of the things i pointed out and one of the things that we dissagreed on in our discussion. but this was a difference of oppinion and i respect the rule none the less. as i pointed out to him.. some days we will be side by side on teh battle feild .. others we will be oposite each other depending on the situation.

anyhoo ramble ramble ramble ..*goes to bed*

[komissar]

well It wasn't my screenshot mate :)

Take a look at the name at top right and you see ;)
It's a friend of mine but by no means me.

I was away kayaking at a forest river that day ;)

[vguerin]

that one is just plain stupid since they started it (if you're defending yourself, they're obviously the attackers...) so at any time they could attack you for the hell of it (there have been people who would do such a thing....) and not have to worry about losing.I got to agree with ya one this one bro (though the first part of your post is pure rubbish :P), it needs tweaking... all the rest is simpler than you guys trying to dissect it are making it out to be. They are trying to be consistant and represent something, the grammar and content will find it's place.
All the more reason to allow GvG only OP battles. I still wonder if someone were to ask for it to be a guild vs guild event if it would actually happen. We considered it back in Jan with a couple different guilds and came to the conclusion that other people would get involved (either by joining the guild temporarily to make it 'legal' or would come to defend their friends even though they're not guilded).There'd be no other way around it then exactly what you said man... We have overflowing GH's now with smaller numbers, we'd have no other choice with game mechanics then to do exactly what you suggest if they truly get silly and force a GvG encounter. But it would be a great way to keep those claiming to be neutral out of the battles, they'd have to have the same citizenship/faction (IIRC) to join the guilds :P

I think we are all doing the best we can with the implementation forced on us... We have suffered thru GH's holding what a squad can fill, even after OP implementation when they were full PRIOR ! There should be a seperate tab in the GH for what an OP produces, we cannot store anything else there but all the stuff goes in, even if there is a cap of sorts similar to GHX2. Another bonus to owning an OP ??? This would at least allow you to manage things better... Too simple ? Make this "extra" OP GH only accessible FROM THE OP, finally we have a reason other than defense to visit our OP's. Jena knows we didn't get spawnpoints, guards or anything else to keep the enemy out prior to conflict...

We are all doing the best with what they gave us, changing a certain aspect of the game to favor/balance things one way opens up another can of worms elsewhere. I could create a guild called "Children of Zerlin" which becomes the guild that my allies all join for OP stuff... We leave another alt. in charge of our current guilds and all join into CoZ and fight for Jena (and Zerlin)... This invites them to restrict our gameplay even more... we need it expanded and not restricted...

[raven41]

>snip< But it would be a great way to keep those claiming to be neutral out of the battles, they'd have to have the same citizenship/faction (IIRC) to join the guilds :P >snip<

Nope you can join any guild if you are nuetral :p(think about the noobs) so it would fix nothing.

[wardone]

bah how come i never make it into these screen shots lol

ps kimmerin your jools suck :p

[vguerin]

Nope you can join any guild if you are nuetral :p(think about the noobs) so it would fix nothing.IIRC thats for the "undecided", others actually choose neutral... I have never been neutral TBH so I am not sure. They did say guildies would have to share citizenship/allegiance, maybe I misread it...

[calel]

Neutral civ/neutral faction can join any guild. Neutral civ/Karavan faction can only join any civ/Karavan faction guild. Fyros civ/neutral faction could only join any Fyros civ/any faction guilds. But neutral civ/ neutral faction guilds can only accept civ neutral/ faction neutral players.

Undecided I'm not even sure they could join up with a guild unless they would already be part of it. Ofcourse they'd have to pick something factionwise, be it neutral, Kamist or Karavaneer to be able to move around with pacts, and then they can only change to the faction stance of the guild or neutrallity or only to neutrality if the guild is faction neutral ... *sighs* ... trying to explain is actually harder than it is. Maybe I'm just no good at it. Where's Spriteh when you need him?