In the Clear?

[ffxjosh]

I remeber some time ago there was news about the financial position of Neverax and that they had at one point been given a certian time to turn things around (IIRC this was a similir time to when Jessica joined)

Now i know its non of our business the exact finacial state of Nev, but just asking has it all been resolved? Is Neverax in the clear?

Tyilin

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[geezas]

I think there was a update on that, it was positive but I can't remember where, I think on the boards but can't find it.

btw, where is jessica ? haven't heard form here in a while

Edit: Found it (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22293&highlight=nevrax+financial)

[ffxjosh]

That thread still says that there is still an observation period.. so i guess no updates since then??

If ne1 can find it??

Jessica has mutated into Lixie and is now finding a new home... on atys ;)

Tyilin

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[marct]

It is still in observation from what I recall. I think they were looking for the updates from RoS, and R2 to predict the potential future of the company.

As for Jessica, I believe both she and DCC (David Cohen Corval) are in advisory positions. (that reads to me as no pay, but still owning stock options)

If R2 is really anywhere near as good as it appears so far, it will skyrocket Nevrax off the charts. I just hope they are not ahead of the curve and that folks adopt it. BTW, is the R2 Dog and Pony show coming to the US for the big name gaming magazines/e-communities?

[bluefve]

David Cohen is the Executive Producer of the Ring, and I would imagine is being paid. About Jessica, I have no clue, however, she seemed to be doing a lot of work when she joined -- around Episode 2.

[hardened]

From the massive influx of new players, Including me =D.

I'd think this game is looking good Subscription wise.

[sesune]

David Cohen is the Executive Producer of the Ring, and I would imagine is being paid.
I dont think so, as far as I heard he is off the payroll entirely. I believe so, after all DCC wants to make Ryzom successful and if he hogs even a little of the limited funds nowadays could make things unstable.

I'd think this game is looking good Subscription wise.

Of course we have a good player base, but not everyone of the new players will subscribe :( But it never hurts to have an additional 4k-16k quality players. I would never want to see the current ryzom with a "6 million" players though. Myself, my cousin and few other individuals are patiently waiting for nevrax to finish and set aside R2 and upcoming content... we actually have enough capital for nevrax to get a serious second chance at things. Actually the five of us really wish we had thought of the lore and the concept first ^^'

My cousin is well determined to actually assist nevrax to market this game even further to a larger audience, at no cost to them.

I on the other hand wish to gear up my small team of people by hiring more engineers and set up my small company in France itself. If nevrax accepts our help it will be my 40 guys with top equipment and skill, translators, music composers, contract with companies like directsound and more + nevrax's current team that would improve the development double fold. My interest is in the improvement of the missions, huge exploreable worlds, new mobs, different and elaborate animations for each mob. Better dynamic character and mob models and most importantly intractable objects and entities.

A friend of mine simply wises to invest a lot in ryzom but only in millions.

There is another old friend of my cousin who too wishes to invest in hundred thousands but for non-profit.

All of us are waiting with our fingers crossed. And hope things turn out in our favor... again THIS all depends on nevrax's success with R2 and if nevrax accepts our assistance.

*phew* got that out of my mind :)

[acridiel]

Uh, if they don´t... I´m always willing to accept a few millions :D
Hehehehe, good Luck Guys :)

Acridiel

[grimjim]

Uh, if they don´t... I´m always willing to accept a few millions :D
Hehehehe, good Luck Guys :)

Acridiel

Me too, I only need a couple of 'thou to finance a couple of new RPG book projects and a con visit though ;)

[sesune]

Uh, if they don´t... I´m always willing to accept a few millions :D
Hehehehe, good Luck Guys :)

Acridiel

Me too, I only need a couple of 'thou to finance a couple of new RPG book projects and a con visit though ;)

Ow I was being serious you two ^^'

Besides nevrax just has to accept our help if we decide to assist them... you see unlike us the fifth person who is watching nevrax intends to offer a fair sum to buy nevrax as a whole haha, she is a business titan more or less successful like my dad :)

Actually I should not discuss these matters publicly... hmmm. *stops*

Anyway I do hope the observation ends in a positive result, could anyone from navrax inform us if there are any updates about the observation period? Thanks.

- Sesune

[nillian]

Actually I should not discuss these matters publicly...

So why did you? I don't want to suggest that you are bragging, but it does seem that way :o

EDIT : ....not that I don't want you and your friends to put craploads of money into 'zom, of course!

[grimjim]

Ow I was being serious you two ^^'

I'm perfectly serious!
Circumstances have meant I couldn't expand as I wanted to this year and don't have the money to catch back up. So, if you're feeling generous ;)

[sesune]

So why did you? I don't want to suggest that you are bragging, but it does seem that way :o

EDIT : ....not that I don't want you and your friends to put craploads of money into 'zom, of course!

OK I admit I was bragging, but all true! lets move along now... back on topic :)

Offopic:
I'm perfectly serious!
Circumstances have meant I couldn't expand as I wanted to this year and don't have the money to catch back up. So, if you're feeling generous
Oh? If its a profit returning investment, I'm all ears give me a PM, more about it in detail. :)

[ffxjosh]

I'm sure if Neverax needed. they would leave an Open Paypal (or such like) on a page saying 'please donate' But as i cant see one ill assume things are great :)


Tyilin

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[acridiel]

Ey, I was seriuos too :D (although I can´t guarantee any returning profit, unless you count a very happy Homin as profit ;) :D )
Actually, Sesune, I think there are more "private" and businesslike" channels to contact Nevrax about such things. So you better do that, then you might just be a little more successfull in these things ;)

Acridiel

[sesune]

Ey, I was seriuos too :D (although I can´t guarantee any returning profit, unless you count a very happy Homin as profit ;) :D )
Actually, Sesune, I think there are more "private" and businesslike" channels to contact Nevrax about such things. So you better do that, then you might just be a little more successfull in these things ;)

Acridiel
Don't worry I intent to get in contact with them in "private" and "businesslike" channels as soon as they prove to the world that, though small and scarcely funded, they cant be pushed around. Yes i mean R2. :)

It may have seemed like my bragging but consider that a hint for nevrax that there are so many eyes on them for creating a such game with so much potential.

[acridiel]

*nods* Oh yes, potential it has a lot. *waggels green ears* ;)

No, but seriously. It would be a real treat to see Nevrax gain some leverage and above all stand in the Industry. I think, and taht´s just my oppinion, that up until know they were pretty much underestimated by their peers in the business and most of them scoffed at the idea of such a small Company gaining any foothold in it. I realy hope and wish for Nevrax to show them that "the little Man" can indeed reach the stars and with enough determination can achive a groundbraking success.
Maybe I´m caught in the "rush and exitement" of the creation of something new. Even if I´m only a bystander and don´t have anything to do about and with it´s success.
But I´m with Ryzom and Nevrax out of a feeling for the proverbial "underdog", and an absolute belive in their ability to "pull this stunt off".
I hope I´m not delusional in any way and I´m pretty sure that my mental health isn´t decreasing in any rate faster then normal for my age, but I´m with Nevrax and I´ll do my best to support them with my meager ressources and help them reach their personal stars.

Acridiel

[iphdrunk]

i (...) f them scoffed at the idea of such a small Company (...) I realy hope and wish for Nevrax to show them that "the little Man" (...) Nevrax out of a feeling for the proverbial "underdog" (...)

I hope I´m not delusional in any way and I´m pretty sure that my mental health isn´t decreasing in any rate faster then normal for my age, but I´m with Nevrax and I´ll do my best to support them with my meager ressources and help them reach their personal stars.

Acridiel

Although I agree and share the same wishes, I do hope ryzom fulfills its potential and I would like to enjoy the game for the incoming years, a minor thought: the first Acri's quoted snippets can indeed reflect Nevrax status as of *now*, but for the sake of completeness let me just point out that Nevrax at the begining wasn't *that* small (~50+), that the development took a few years and although not in the same league as Blizzard or SOE, it's budget (~16M Euros?) wasn't extremely low.

I would not consider Nevrax pre-launch a "very small" / "underdog" / "oh poor fellows" company, which makes me (wrongfully?) think that some bad choices were made. Let's forget about the past and look into a bright future, but Ryzom foundations and framework is not the result of only a "tight passionate tiny group of robin hood developers". And one can objectively evauate the work produced by time windows and available resources starting from 2002.

This, of course, without precluding the fact that a) it does indeed remain a comercial project, with a profit long term goal and, personal feelings aside, (would they share part of their benefits with their player base had they been extremely successful? :P) player subscription fees are of the same order than similar projects and b) ther are different players with different expectations, ranging from "great as is" to "nowhere near what one could expect from a new gen MMRPG."

[bluefve]

Good news to hear, Sesune. Hopefully you won't be disappointed and Nevrax will indeed gain more business and financial support. I want more armour types! :)

But, iphdrunk, If I recall correctly back when I first joined, I believe that Nevrax was indeed a good sized company with a good sized budget, however, they lost their major financial backing due to wanting to keep their ideas and priorities theirs, and not fully submit to the demands of their "captor". So the two companies broke deals.

On a side note, I did some research and apparently the Themis Group or Tri Synergy aren't listed as Official Partners for Ryzom anymore.

[borg9]

sesune, you have implied a lot in your first few posts, but your last post says to me that you are 'just hinting' to Nevrax that your dad will buy you the company, 'if it becomes successful'.

Have you actually approached Nervax with an offer?

Why invest in an existing game that is 2+ years old, when with the sums you say you have available you could be investing in a new PC game, in a market that is sadly lacking anything new and innovative?

Just interested and only asking because you have chosen to publish your wealth and intent in a public forum.

[sesune]

sesune, you have implied a lot in your first few posts, but your last post says to me that you are 'just hinting' to Nevrax that your dad will buy you the company, 'if it becomes successful'.

Have you actually approached Nervax with an offer?

You got me entirely wrong, by me I mean my dad on my behalf, my cousin and few friends. Seriously I am only 19 and a college student I cant manage a huge company until I obtain my degree which will be around five years I figure. About buying nevrax that's my dad's old friend i.e the fifth person and a business associate. She always builds her business by buying out polished companies or companies that have potential. As per me will only intent to help nevrax.

As for approaching with an offer, yes my cousin did. Had good discussion with Milko Berset, though before he got the chance to actually put forth his proposal, Milko informed that they can't make changes in their plans during these times and that they have their hands full with R2. However Milko expressed an interest in helping with funds to market Ryzom Ring. However since my cousin's motive was something greater than marketing R2. He backed down and decided to approach nevrax once things are stable.

Why invest in an existing game that is 2+ years old, when with the sums you say you have available you could be investing in a new PC game, in a market that is sadly lacking anything new and innovative?

Actually the plan is

1) Re-define Saga of Ryzom
2) A fresh new game

The reason? as said we love SOR's lore and hate to see it being put to waste. The living planet has suffered the great swarming and is slowly recovering thus the plot actually gives the players to develop the world or even destroy it in their pursuit to revive their lost lands. Faction conflicts in a balanced and more meaningful environment could prove to be worthy. What I am talking about are not live events that progress the story. I mean interactivity which will change the world itself with the players efforts. We have several ideas to being 'life' to the existing backbone. What I have said may sound meaningless but I can only say that much.

A new game, whether ryzom plan is successful or not this will happen around 2010 (or 2008 if first plan is successful) that I am sure. There are sill several genre not introduced in MMORPGs.


Just interested and only asking because you have chosen to publish your wealth and intent in a public forum.
Yes and that's one of my serious problems, I just cant seem to keep quiet! :o

[lfnotter]

A new game, whether ryzom plan is successful or not this will happen around 2010 (or 2008 if first plan is successful) that I am sure. There are sill several genre not introduced in MMORPGs.


I wish you the best of luck, Sesune, especially since you sound very sincere in your desire to see Ryzom grow and develop for many years to come.

Perhaps if someone like you had purchased Horizons instead of the current owners, I wouldn't be here looking for a new game and a new community. It's good to see someone with the means and desire to invest in the future of something they love.

[bluefve]

David Cohen is the Executive Producer of the Ring, and I would imagine is being paid. About Jessica, I have no clue, however, she seemed to be doing a lot of work when she joined -- around Episode 2.

I ask for forgiveness. Spriteh brought this to my attention. I totally mixed the names up, I ment Daniel Miller was the Producer. As far as I know, David left the company around the same time SGM Lawrence did -- Christmas?

[bluefve]

I'm not claiming to be a professional or anything, though I did briefly study business and may return soon, however, even though we appreciate your updating us on what deals you are trying to come up with, for yourself and Nevrax, I don't think announcing these possible transactions and deals in such an early stage to such an open source is a good idea. I mean, if I was a competitor company, I would be taking any information which I could get my grubby little hands on.

[komissar]

yep...

And also I do think that posts such is this won't do Nevrax much good.
On the contrary...

[ffxjosh]

wow, a simple question sprung mightily off topic.. Thanks to the people who did try and answer the questions presented in this thread.

one thing tho - from what i know neverax is a close knit company, like a family. I'm pretty sure that they would only conisder selling a large % of the company as a last resort. As with any 'small' bussiness the people incharge treat the venture as a child - sumthing they are not willing to give up on or give out to easily. Espc. to (from what i can see) a non gaming background company/venture capitalist who has self based motives. Just my 2 dapper.

*goes off to make new movie* ;)


Tyilin

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[mugendo]

I'm not claiming to be a professional or anything, though I did briefly study business


So did I...I learned that people are promoted to their peak of Incompetence..and work will EXPAND to fill the time allocated to it.....I think I covered all aspects of business to fulfil my needs in the ecocomical world ;)