Come and Rise!! The Neutrals must make a stand!

[zangan]

Hello fellow homins!

I have noticed on my short time on Atys that the "greater powers" rule all life on our world. They are who we try to please, they are who we fight for, we give everything up for them. While they findle with themselves, putting us homins against each other.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PAWN IN THEIR STUPID POWER STRUGGLE!!

While homins fight against their brothers, sisters, even fathers and mothers, the "greater powers" sit back and watch us like some kind of spectacle! I do NOT like this spectacle and refuse to take place in it! I know there are more of us out there, I believe it is our turn to enter the fray. To unite Atys, it is unpon us neutrals to put an end to their lies! We must make ourselves heard!
We must fight for what is right and the good of Atys. We should be fighting the Kitin, the goo, preparing for the Great Dragon, not slaying fellow homins in a bloodsport observed by the entites to try and please them!

Please, I know I'm not the only one who seeks the truth, we must band together and put an end to these LIES!!

WHO'S WITH ME!

[raynes]

Hello fellow homins!

I have noticed on my short time on Atys that the "greater powers" rule all life on our world. They are who we try to please, they are who we fight for, we give everything up for them. While they findle with themselves, putting us homins against each other.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PAWN IN THEIR STUPID POWER STRUGGLE!!

While homins fight against their brothers, sisters, even fathers and mothers, the "greater powers" sit back and watch us like some kind of spectacle! I do NOT like this spectacle and refuse to take place in it! I know there are more of us out there, I believe it is our turn to enter the fray. To unite Atys, it is unpon us neutrals to put an end to their lies! We must make ourselves heard!
We must fight for what is right and the good of Atys. We should be fighting the Kitin, the goo, preparing for the Great Dragon, not slaying fellow homins in a bloodsport observed by the entites to try and please them!

Please, I know I'm not the only one who seeks the truth, we must band together and put an end to these LIES!!

WHO'S WITH ME!

Some things never change. I would have thought by now all those who do not follow the Kami would have been removed from Atys. The neutrals refuse to take a stand, that is why they will never amount to anything important.

[katriell]

There are as many variations of neutrality as there are neutrals. "Neutral" isn't even the correct term in many cases. For some it might simply be a desire to remain uninvolved in any kind of faction-related conflict. For others, it actually is taking a stand - against the factions. Others are taking a stand for their own principles, which happen to not be aligned with either faction's "ideals."

The stupidest thing anyone can do when speaking of neutrals is to make generalizations.

[901941]

Some things never change. I would have thought by now all those who do not follow the Kami would have been removed from Atys. The neutrals refuse to take a stand, that is why they will never amount to anything important.

IC: I disagree. Neutrals play a huge part in the balance. They have rights like any other homin. They have the hardest status quote on Atys. And they do take a stand or they wouldn’t be Neutrals otherwise.

[mrshad]

And who will you turn to, Thundyr, to bring you back from the emptyness outside of the flesh?

Perhaps we really are puppets, and not slaves at all. It is a much more depressing thought. Slaves have a will of thier own, but can't act on it. Pupets are extentions of thier masters.

You can't escape thier influence, even if you wanted to.

[katriell]

...Unless resurrection is a power of Atys, which only needs harnessing. Teleportation may be the same, as evidenced by the natural portals. If homins could learn to control these themselves, we would no longer be controlled.

[aardnebb]

Exactly. The Portals between lands are a place to respawn for any.

Besides which, the fact that I badmouth both Kami and Karavan, yet they _still_ are willing to let me use their artificial respawn locations and teleporters leads me to believe they need me rather more than I need them.

You know what Samsara call people like that? A mark.

[raynes]

IC: I disagree. Neutrals play a huge part in the balance. They have rights like any other homin. They have the hardest status quote on Atys. And they do take a stand or they wouldn’t be Neutrals otherwise.

The Kami have spoken and told Homins they must act against the Karavan. Those Homins who do not are not worthy to use resources that Atys provides. The Kami are the guardians of Atys and if you can not follow the Kami law, then you should be exiled.

[katriell]

*snicker* The Kamis are hypocrites. Were you not here in the temple wars when they encouraged their followers to overharvest, allowing them to do so freely by no longer killing harvesters, and then in typical form blamed it all on the Karavan even though both had equal fault in permanently depleting three regions?

Preserving the equilibrium of Atys and such is a wonderful idea. Too bad the primary proponents of it decided constructing temples to themselves was more important.

[andypur1]

Exactly. The Portals between lands are a place to respawn for any.


But, arn't the portals between the lands created by a fusion of Kami magic and Karavan technology. Zok can remember when there was no portal between Dunes of Exile (South of Dyron in Fyros) and The Great Outback (Western edge of Zora)

The two great powers were on more friendly terms at the time and opened an easier route between the two lands. If they did so in the recent past, maybe they also did so to prepare the land before the arrival of the exiled homins.


*snicker* The Kamis are hypocrites. Were you not here in the temple wars when they encouraged their followers to overharvest, allowing them to do so freely by no longer killing harvesters, and then in typical form blamed it all on the Karavan even though both had equal fault in permanently depleting three regions?


Maybe the Kami wished to remove as much valuable material from the old lands as possible. Don't want the kitins to have it all to themselves :p

[raynes]

*snicker* The Kamis are hypocrites. Were you not here in the temple wars when they encouraged their followers to overharvest, allowing them to do so freely by no longer killing harvesters, and then in typical form blamed it all on the Karavan even though both had equal fault in permanently depleting three regions?

Preserving the equilibrium of Atys and such is a wonderful idea. Too bad the primary proponents of it decided constructing temples to themselves was more important.

It is the plan of MaDuk to cause those regions to be non harvestable. He has his reasons and they will become clear when the time is needed.

[codwin]

IC: I disagree. Neutrals play a huge part in the balance. They have rights like any other homin. They have the hardest status quote on Atys. And they do take a stand or they wouldn’t be Neutrals otherwise.

Well,so neutruals have the hardest status and yet they don't fight(except maybe in arena GvG etc) (But I meen the main faction wars)

How hard could it be?

[arfindel]

Neutrals can fight in OP wars, in duels, in the Matis arena, and in all pvp areas (Nexus and Lands of Umbra).

[codwin]

Yeah thats why I put etc.

[tavenni]

You make many assumptions of both followers of Karavan and Kami; I have not been ordered to fight or destroy Karavan wherever I find them - that stems from the actions of the extremely devout and their own interpretations. I agree with the reverence of Atys, and thus I follow their teachings; the words ring true upon contemplation and meditation, and thus my own doubts are settled on that score. No amount of red-in-the-face shouting or "facts" - the Kami depleted a source, did they? I assume you wear no leather...- will change this.

At the same time, the mask I wear has holes cut out for me to see through for a reason. I fight the Goo, and the kitin where I find them. I harvest, and kill when necessary. Kami-follower I may be, but I am no crusader. Each instruction I am given, I contemplate and meditate upon, and then make my own choice...as do we all. None have ever been commanded to "slay or beware". Conscious choice is made, and even the renounciation of one's beliefs can also be made (though why Zorai of the Karavan still wear masks is something a greater mind than I can find answer to).

To call for the unthinking, knee-jerk rebellion against all you do not agree with is no better than the "call for slaughter" from either belief system. This is as much a "faction" of conflict as any other.

If you fight the Goo, I fight alongside you. If you fight the Kitin, the same. If you defend from destructive Fire, there too you shall find me. But a crusade from any side is one I refuse to partake of.

You do not propose freedom, but anarchy...there are too many variables, too many concerns, and unfortunately homins ARE homins, unenlightened creatures incapable of looking beyond their own squabbles for longer than three sunsets.

When enlightenment is achieved, when all threats are removed by a effort of all homin-kind, when homin-kind can put itself beyond the digging up of old wounds and hurts, then, and only then, could we turn our attention to this "stand" you speak of, if it is so very necessary.

I will concern myself with my own deeds and actions to work toward that end. It would behoove us all to do the same, rather than to squabble about what the other side is doing according to our own perceptions.

I bid you peace, and may the Sap flow in your spirit freely.

[grimjim]

There are new lands awaiting settlement.
If some of these can be claimed before the factions or the current civilisations do then perhaps a new nation can be built free of the mistakes of the past and the tension of the present.

We've already made a start.

[akicks]

But, arn't the portals between the lands created by a fusion of Kami magic and Karavan technology. Zok can remember when there was no portal between Dunes of Exile (South of Dyron in Fyros) and The Great Outback (Western edge of Zora)


The portal was always there, but it was covered by rocks on both sides. This made travel from Fyros to Zora and from Zora to Fyros impossible through that portal, but it was still there.

If you remember correctly, it was homins that destroyed the kitins protecting the tunnels, it was homins who got rid of the rocks, and it was homins who made that portal open to all.

What made the portal originally, I can not say.

[zangan]

There are new lands awaiting settlement.
If some of these can be claimed before the factions or the current civilisations do then perhaps a new nation can be built free of the mistakes of the past and the tension of the present.

We've already made a start.

A new nation...Free from mistakes of the past...
*ponders on these words*

*words finally seep in*

This could be the answer we have been searching for. I would be absolutly thrilled if I can help in anyway!

Though there is one problem...
What of the Kami and Karavan? They will want there own lands too, and so, it will turn into a territorial civil war between Homins to conquer lands for their nation...

If only there was a way to create a world free for the Homins, without the influences of outer-worldly forces...

[grimjim]

Though there is one problem...
What of the Kami and Karavan? They will want there own lands too, and so, it will turn into a territorial civil war between Homins to conquer lands for their nation...

Then can try, but we figure they care more about the current main centre of civilisation, until they destroy it that is... I'll have more information soon.

[zangan]

Then can try, but we figure they care more about the current main centre of civilisation, until they destroy it that is... I'll have more information soon.

Hmm, very possibly so..
The very least we can do is try.

I look forward to the information.


Thundyr

[sprite]

If you remember correctly, it was homins that destroyed the kitins protecting the tunnels, it was homins who got rid of the rocks, and it was homins who made that portal open to all.Well I can't find the old events listing that got so handily removed in one of the website changearounds, but while I agree that it was us who killed the kitin, it was the Kami and Karavan working together using an artifact recovered from a previous PvP event in Nexus (or something... some artifact anyways) which opened the portal for us.

Check here (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7582) for the Aris Nexus event post (a little way down is a copy/paste from the Windermeer boards with the details of the artifact), here (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10592) for the Aris portal event, and here (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120138&postcount=16) for Takashi's (Windermeer) post-event post telling us the K/K made the portal.

[vguerin]

and here (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120138&postcount=16) for Takashi's (Windermeer) post-event post telling us the K/K made the portal.Wow... thats a great and sad memory for me... one of the last epic homin events on Windemeer and maybe the last big RP event afterwards IIRC...

The battle of course was only part of the RP between the leaders of the opposing faction aligned guilds, but this ability to stay IC immediately after fighting side by side for a common goal was great. That type of RP didn't translate as well after the merge, though we tried it with the marauder invasion... We never could make our enemies anything other than enemies here and staying IC seemed to become flamewars.

I miss the early RP days greatly...

[tavenni]

There are new lands awaiting settlement.
If some of these can be claimed before the factions or the current civilisations do then perhaps a new nation can be built free of the mistakes of the past and the tension of the present.

We've already made a start.

And make mistakes of your own. You cannot flee from the world or its problems, as by your very existence you are responsible as well - either because you contribute directly, or because you do nothing. Retreating will not aid you - the world is not so large that one can manage to stop being a part of it, and its concerns. You will make your own mistakes, become your own faction and war with all sides as a result of it, perpetuating the same history which has repeated, time and time again, from the sprouting of the first seed.

But these things must be learned...I bid you peace upon your journey of lessons.

[grimjim]

And make mistakes of your own. You cannot flee from the world or its problems, as by your very existence you are responsible as well - either because you contribute directly, or because you do nothing. Retreating will not aid you - the world is not so large that one can manage to stop being a part of it, and its concerns. You will make your own mistakes, become your own faction and war with all sides as a result of it, perpetuating the same history which has repeated, time and time again, from the sprouting of the first seed.

But these things must be learned...I bid you peace upon your journey of lessons.

The world is a bigger place than the new lands, or the Kami and Karavan.

[onisu]

I'm new to the game yet even as i walk down the streets im shuned!I am with you,that we should rise up,draw are swords and defend are rights as the work force of atys!I will yell my name in truth,justice,and love of my humble life!I AM ONISU!!!