Having issue with stamina

[xasher]

It seems that the game producers have overlooked something, i wonder if you agree. While im pounding on a mob i use stamina every time i swinn my weapon, if i run out of stamina my guy just stands there.

How come monsters don't have stamina?...seems they can stand there all day pounding away at you without ever tiring.

Anyone else agree ?

[billg1]

It seems that the game producers have overlooked something, i wonder if you agree. While im pounding on a mob i use stamina every time i swinn my weapon, if i run out of stamina my guy just stands there.

How come monsters don't have stamina?...seems they can stand there all day pounding away at you without ever tiring.

Anyone else agree ?

Get HP credits or a healer that can heal both HP and stamina. Doing both means you can pound away on MOBs all day and night ;)

[korin77]

oops misread it. Yeah what that last guy said. I would just get more strength and balance for more stamina and stamina regen.

[jdiegel]

How come monsters don't have stamina?


They do. Watch your combat log and every now and then you will get a message that says you got a critical hit, followed by the hit detail, followed by a message along the lines of "You remove nn stamina from suckling yubo."


Now, whether or not the mobs stamina is a factor in the fight is something I've yet to determine.

[xasher]

ok then i have a second one for you i purchased two different spells one that restores my health and the other restores my stamina...how come when i activate one of them the other goes grey and can't be used until the timer on the one i activated is up ????

[billg1]

ok then i have a second one for you i purchased two different spells one that restores my health and the other restores my stamina...how come when i activate one of them the other goes grey and can't be used until the timer on the one i activated is up ????

All self heal spells are on the same timer. You can use 1 of the 4 ever x amount of seconds.

[syneris]

get attack after dodge if you use dodge mode. It's great and a free alternative if you tank or solo. Mix it all together and use multiple hotkeys for whatever situation you are in. HP credits are great for groups because the mage will not need to heal stamina as much. I use dodge armor and dodge about 75-80% of the attacks done to me by mobs of my same lvl. Find out what your healer is best suited for if you are grouping.

[btamilio]

get attack after dodge if you use dodge mode. It's great and a free alternative if you tank or solo. Mix it all together and use multiple hotkeys for whatever situation you are in. HP credits are great for groups because the mage will not need to heal stamina as much. I use dodge armor and dodge about 75-80% of the attacks done to me by mobs of my same lvl. Find out what your healer is best suited for if you are grouping.

Also, Heavy Armor might not be for you -- the action penalty eats up Stam, Focus and Sap. Or you may want to go naked on a piece or two of it to cut down the penalty.

Sometimes, I fight naked if there's little risk of death and I have a healer handy. I always have stam, but as one might expect, I take more damage. However, I dodge more, so it tends to almost even out.

However, it feels silly X.x

[usinuk]

They do. Watch your combat log and every now and then you will get a message that says you got a critical hit, followed by the hit detail, followed by a message along the lines of "You remove nn stamina from suckling yubo."

Now, whether or not the mobs stamina is a factor in the fight is something I've yet to determine.

Actually if you're using heavy armor attack after parry is a better credit set as you're likely to be better off using parry instead of dodge - there have been a number of posts on parry's advantages with heavy.

That said, the OPs point about monsters never running out of stamina is a good one - I've spent a lot of time as a ranged pipshooter outlasting gingo attacks. Never once have I seen them stop using their specials (blind, or double damage).

[stygeon]

One thing also ... combat while fairly simple does require some thought. It is not meant for you to bang out the biggest hits all day long ... especially solo on a mob well above your level.

Try editing your skills more so you have a high stamina use one for when you have a healer to help out .

A mid stamina for being in a decent group where you dont need the high damage and save some stamina for that unfortunate add that pops up.

A low stamina that you can kill off a mob without burning all of your stamina on.

Also edit your self heals ... you can put a self heal hp into a self heal stamina so if you are worried about it you can hit both. Downside is that it will be smaller heals on both.

Adding the hp credit or switching almost entirely to a hp credit may work for you also if you have the highest self heal for hp you can.

[splatula]

All self heal spells are on the same timer. You can use 1 of the 4 ever x amount of seconds.

HOWEVER! You can build your own custom regen where you heal more than one area, you just can't heal as high.
For example a fighter with HP & Stam regen, has his highest regen (HP) at level 5. Now he could use a pure lvl 5 HP regen for 500 HP, or he could combine lvl 3 HP & lvl 2 Stam. All depends on the maximum level timer you have available.
Hope this helps ;D

WackyAnne
Guild Melinoe
Atys Harvesters

[tleilaxu]

All self heal spells are on the same timer. You can use 1 of the 4 ever x amount of seconds.

Thanks for stealing my sig line & paraphrasing it. K thanks bye.

Cieran
High Officer of the Minyatur (http://www.minyatur.net)

The strength of many, forged into one
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[aylwyne]

Also remember that you can use the plain old "Default Attack" that uses no stamina. So even if you run completely dry, you can at least use that instead of just standing there waiting for stamina to regen.

[gralen]

Thanks for stealing my sig line & paraphrasing it. K thanks bye.

Cieran
High Officer of the Minyatur (http://www.minyatur.net)

The strength of many, forged into one
http://www.minyatur.net/cieran/cieranbanner.jpg

Um, being the one that coined the phrase used in Varth's sig (and having coined it long before I came here), I'll thank you for not casting aspersions.

Added background
The origin of that phrase goes back to 1997 while working with a large number of teenagers. During some rather mentaly and physically trying activities that lasted about a week, one of the kids mentioned that having just one of the group be strong, be courageous or be enthusiastic made the whole group stronger, more courageous and enthusiastic. It was then that I coined our motto "By the strength of one are many made strong." That became my personal motto here after the Jen-Laļ incident during the last Open Beta and was officially adopted by Comitatus Praetorian on 20 October. The guild then adopted my signature format on 23 October. Now you know the whole story.

[tleilaxu]

Um, being the one that coined the phrase used in Varth's sig (and having coined it long before I came here), I'll thank you for not casting aspersions.

Added background
The origin of that phrase goes back to 1997 while working with a large number of teenagers. During some rather mentaly and physically trying activities that lasted about a week, one of the kids mentioned that having just one of the group be strong, be courageous or be enthusiastic made the whole group stronger, more courageous and enthusiastic. It was then that I coined our motto "By the strength of one are many made strong." That became my personal motto here after the Jen-Laļ incident during the last Open Beta and was officially adopted by Comitatus Praetorian on 20 October. The guild then adopted my signature format on 23 October. Now you know the whole story.

First time I've seen it used, anyway I've been using my motto since tabletop days so I guess great minds think alike :P

[gralen]

First time I've seen it used, anyway I've been using my motto since tabletop days so I guess great minds think alike :P

Evidently. Just for further information, that's been in my sig since 25 September, of course there is no way to prove that as all sigs update dynamically but suffice it to say that there was no stealing as you state in your first post.

[korin77]

LOL, you know thats an ancient chinese proverb right? It originated from a story of a farmer who was about to die. He told his seven sons at his death bed to each take a chopstick and break it. They each broke it easily. Then he got 7 chopsticks together and asked them to break it. They could not. He explained that alone, none of them were strong enough, but together as one. They were much stronger. He suspected his sons did not listen to him, so at his dying breath he told them of the gold he had buried in the fields.

After the father died, his sons went digging for the treasure. They dug the fields day and night and could not find a hint of the gold. Finally after a few days they gave up. Since they already had the fields dug, they planted the seeds for the wheat. After a few months, the fields were full of the golden wheat, and they finally realized what their father had meant. They realized that with teamwork, they could accomplish anything.

[tleilaxu]

LOL, you know thats an ancient chinese proverb right? It originated from a story of a farmer who was about to die. He told his seven sons at his death bed to each take a chopstick and break it. They each broke it easily. Then he got 7 chopsticks together and asked them to break it. They could not. He explained that alone, none of them were strong enough, but together as one. They were much stronger. He suspected his sons did not listen to him, so at his dying breath he told them of the gold he had buried in the fields.

After the father died, his sons went digging for the treasure. They dug the fields day and night and could not find a hint of the gold. Finally after a few days they gave up. Since they already had the fields dug, they planted the seeds for the wheat. After a few months, the fields were full of the golden wheat, and they finally realized what their father had meant. They realized that with teamwork, they could accomplish anything.

Korin you always seem to hit it on the head. ;)

[tleilaxu]

Evidently. Just for further information, that's been in my sig since 25 September, of course there is no way to prove that as all sigs update dynamically but suffice it to say that there was no stealing as you state in your first post.

Yes and I apologise.

[billg1]

LOL, you know thats an ancient chinese proverb right? It originated from a story of a farmer who was about to die. He told his seven sons at his death bed to each take a chopstick and break it. They each broke it easily. Then he got 7 chopsticks together and asked them to break it. They could not. He explained that alone, none of them were strong enough, but together as one. They were much stronger. He suspected his sons did not listen to him, so at his dying breath he told them of the gold he had buried in the fields.

After the father died, his sons went digging for the treasure. They dug the fields day and night and could not find a hint of the gold. Finally after a few days they gave up. Since they already had the fields dug, they planted the seeds for the wheat. After a few months, the fields were full of the golden wheat, and they finally realized what their father had meant. They realized that with teamwork, they could accomplish anything.

Heh, nice story Korin. I think I heard that one before, but never the phrase. Learn somthen everyday.

[billg1]

Yes and I apologise.

Apology accepted.

However if you do notice both sigs actually say the oppisite. So its really not paraphrased and you should not feel the need to remove yours as that looks like what you did.

I still like yours to ;)

[gralen]

LOL, you know thats an ancient chinese proverb right? It originated from a story of a farmer who was about to die. He told his seven sons at his death bed to each take a chopstick and break it. They each broke it easily. Then he got 7 chopsticks together and asked them to break it. They could not. He explained that alone, none of them were strong enough, but together as one. They were much stronger. He suspected his sons did not listen to him, so at his dying breath he told them of the gold he had buried in the fields.

After the father died, his sons went digging for the treasure. They dug the fields day and night and could not find a hint of the gold. Finally after a few days they gave up. Since they already had the fields dug, they planted the seeds for the wheat. After a few months, the fields were full of the golden wheat, and they finally realized what their father had meant. They realized that with teamwork, they could accomplish anything.

However, that is the first time that I have heard that story. Just becasue one discovers a truth which is already known to another does not make the later discovery any less valid nor does that story precisely fit with the phrase in question. The point being that the strength of the individual has the power to lift many whether it be those whom one intends to help (the team) or whether it be those who are inspired by the actions of the individual (the on-lookers). Both situations were very much evident on the trip that inspired that phrase: One happy 15 year old lifted the spirits of his team even as they drudged over steep rocky terrain for the third day straight (the team). Other teams, seeing that this group could remain upbeat determined that they would do the same (the on-lookers).


Yes and I apologise.

It takes real courage to admit a mistake tleilaxu, I am impressed. <bow>

Like Varth, I find that both quotes mean two different things.

"The strength of many, forged into one" emphasizes the strength of the unified group.

"By the strength of one are many made strong" emphasizes the impact of the individual upon those around him.

They are similar sounding but really cover two completely different things.

[korin77]

One should always study the past to know your future. The wisdom of the ancients can lead your way. Strength means little if not tempered by wisdom. The wise old ones shall lead the way. There is no path that is right or true, only the one that is open to you. Truth is relative, if your relatives are true.

One can make up a hundred different sayings and you still won't be the first, or only person who's ever said it. Claim not credit for things you say, but instead credit the wisdom that allowed you to receive that saying.

[gralen]

Truth is relative, if your relatives are true.

Thanks for that, a smile on a gray day is a precious thing indeed.

One can make up a hundred different sayings and you still won't be the first, or only person who's ever said it. Claim not credit for things you say, but instead credit the wisdom that allowed you to receive that saying.

Too true, but I'd rather be guilty of claiming responsibility for the things I've said and letting others decide whether there was wisdom behind the words than of cliaming that I am wise when I am but a fool.

[stygeon]

I almost feel like I have been reading the Book of Tao ...

[korin77]

DId I mention I was a taoist? Be like water, still like water. I better still like water, or else I'll go thirsty.

[gralen]

Hehe, waxing very philosophical in here has diluted the thread quite a bit.

That being said, to compensate for heavy stamina actions I always attack with my default attack (yes, the basic n00b default attack) and add my heavy hitting action every other blow. The effect is that I use about 1/3 the stamina, hit more often and for generally more damage on each hit, and lose less HP during the fight.

[cerest]

How did this go from a stamina thread to Taoism? Crazy people.:P

[billg1]

How did this go from a stamina thread to Taoism? Crazy people.:P

Its all Korins fault ;)

[korin77]

Its always my fault. I am bored here at work. I can't help going off topic. I tried writing poetry but nobody else even chipped in so it got lost down in the crowded posts somewhere.

PS> they finally fixed my forum account so I can finally edit my signature with useless info.

[stygeon]

Cerest ... at least we arent name calling :)