minor harvesting issue

[aelvana]

When you're done with a node, your focus returns to whatever it was when you started. If you self-heal focus while harvesting, the self heal is wasted, because your focus will go back to what it was when you started.

Suggestion: If you self heal say 400 focus while harvesting, then when you're done with that node, have the game return you to (focus when starting + 400).

[aylwyne]

Yes, I've noticed that the recovery of focus does not take into account any of the regeneration that happens while extracting. I also feel it should take this into account.

[neofuzz]

This has been the case for a long time now. Instant focus recovery after completing harvesting of a foraged source will not return to you the amount of focus used whilst harvesting that particular node. Instead it will return your focus to the state it was in when you began the extraction. This can be good and bad.

Good in that you can begin extraction, finish extraction with enough focus to prospect another source, your focus is returned to it's original state prior to extraction when the first source expires and you can immediately move on to extracting from the next source. Ofcourse this would be exploiting a known bug (only extraction actions are supposed to be taken into account in focus instant regen) and I would not encourage anyone to do such. :eek:

Bad in that yes, focus regen and instant focus self-heal occurring during the extraction process are not taken into account and will not be restored to you once the source expires.

Solution: Always begin extraction with full focus. Prospect your source, sit down for a moment to regen, then begin the extraction process with full focus every time. This way regardless of whatever your regen, or if you decide to use focus self-heal you will always have full focus restoration once the source expires.

Ofcourse the bug here is that focus used during the extraction process is not restored as was originally announced in the patch initialising such changes some time ago. The restoration of the focus bar to it's original state whilst commencing the extraction process is much different to the restoration of xxxx amount of focus consumed using extraction skills. Supposedly only extraction skills are to be taken into account with the instant focus regen. However, as afore mentioned, the focus consumed is not what is restored, it is the status of your focus which is restored. So you could begin an extraction action, halt, prospect 50 more sources for the people around you, then when the source you began extraction on expires, the instant focus restoration will restore all the focus used in prospecting as well as the tiny bit used in extraction. Allowing you to continue without pause.

[lyrah68]

I noticed this too, if you use an EXPENSIVE prospecting action, you NEVER get that focus back without resting or healing. I also noticed that if you are grouped and extract the node ANOTHER forager prospected, you do NOT get the extraction focus back...not sure if that bug was fixed.

I got a bit disgusted and haven't foraged other than to work off travel DP personally. I feel that foraging has been nerfed, it is more work that I ever thought it would be. Not the finding the spot and extracting, not the explosions and gassings, but the GETTING through the agro mobs to the spot, and defending yourself against mobs HIGHER in level than the node you are harvesting.

I remember reading that a NON aggressive line of work WOULD be possible in this game...whatever became of that? Plus if PVP is NON concentual ANYWHERE...peaceful work and cooperation is kinda out the window...isn't it?

[magick1]

I remember reading that a NON aggressive line of work WOULD be possible in this game...whatever became of that?
Granted some area can be hard to get to than others. But I never fight while harvesting (at most I flee :p), mostly because I have "harvest armour" on.
The only fighting I did, was on the island to gain some quick HP and get a fell of the creatures, and when doing some missions. Otherwise the closest I get is as a healer.

Whoops, did I go off topic here? :o

[piknik2]

I noticed this too, if you use an EXPENSIVE prospecting action, you NEVER get that focus back without resting or healing.


A solo harvester need not use a really expensive prospection.

I think, like the rest of this game is shaping up to be, this is an attempt to encourage grouping even for foraging. A really good extraction plan will burn almost all your focus ( unless you have some really uber gear ); that is why someone else should be prospecting for you. Likewise to get the most out of that extraction, a care plan will need to be applied; a dedicated care planer will likewise burn all their focus to help you extract. The less people you have, the more "toned down" your plans will get to maximize focus usage.

I also noticed that if you are grouped and extract the node ANOTHER forager prospected, you do NOT get the extraction focus back...not sure if that bug was fixed.


Fixed.

[syneris]

I prospect 4 nodes (the higher the multisource stanza the longer they stay active waiting to be extracted on), use 300 focus selfheal to return focus to max (if you are prospecting with higher than a -400 credit then you are probably high enough lvl to increase the wait 10 seconds without worry :P), extract a node, extract a second node (yup it's still there because of multisource 3), and repeat. By the time i finish extracting both nodes and prospect again my selfheal is ready. I've been doing this since Q100 and now still at q150.

Group Harvesting? With one extractor and one careplanner, I've noticed less mats per person and less xp per person. 2 solo using all gentle with terrain specs can get more xp and more mats in the same time. The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.

[xcomvic]

The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.


You can PL in this game?!?!?! WTH?!!? Hmpph! Teach me please!

[syneris]

You can PL in this game?!?!?! WTH?!!? Hmpph! Teach me please!

Couple ways for foragers to do it. (Must be grouped with all involved)
1) Careplan for someone who can pull higher quality then your level by i'd say atleast 30. This is slower but yields good xp while reducing the others persons xp some (let them prospect ;P)
2) Get the Terrain Prospect Specialization (increase in rate = many more mats) of the area you will be powerleveling and the highest bonus time available. Gather as many people as you think you can handle prospecting for that are i'd say atleast 50 levels higher than you in that terrain. Prospect sources for them, sit to regen focus while they extract, reap in the xp!

[tetra]

Group Harvesting? With one extractor and one careplanner, I've noticed less mats per person and less xp per person. 2 solo using all gentle with terrain specs can get more xp and more mats in the same time. The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.

I've found similar results with group harvesting... to be honest it's pretty painful leveling harvesting these days since you will only get 1200-1700 or so on average. Last night I got just short of 5 levels (125-129.25) in a couple hours of very good hunting with a partner, doing that with harvesting would take vastly more time without a situation such as the earlier mentioned "sure us 8 folks will happily give up some of our exp in order to power level you".

In addition, the QL matters far far too much in the exp calculation. I only need QL X mats, but in order to get more than about a hundred exp I need to harvest my highest QL mats.

[vguerin]

I supply myself for all my crafting, I have no trouble leveling either craft trees or harvesting since I play many hours. Since harvesting is my highest skill and has been for well over a month, I have power leveled others in both forest (level 230) and prime roots (level 219) in efforts to SLOW my leveling in harvest and thus INCREASING my death penalty.

There are ways to power level folks from level 60-200 using different techniques which we do quite effectively.

As far as the focus goes a simple technique I recommend to all those in my guild (this tip hasn't made it into my guide yet) is the "free prospect". Most everyone still has old bad habits from the previous system. With this system you want to use your highest levels of "multiple sources" and "bonus time". Supplement these with any other skills you have that can make you more effective.

We can do this without skimping on skills because of the restoration of focus after a harvest. I am using a 600 focus prospecting brick, and many in our guild are using similar setups. "Free Prospecting" allows this if you use our technique. TWEAK your "self heal focus" stanza to match/exceed by 1, your prospecting stanza ONLY ! Though I have all the self heal focus skills I use ONLY level 6 to restore the 600 focus credit used in my stanza (though the stanza actually used 350 focus). This allows me to prospect (twice oftentimes) and use my "self heal" to fill my focus again and give me a full pull. By the time I have harvested my typical 2 sources my "self heal focus" stanza has reloaded and the cycle begins again.

To make this most effective you have to already be using your harvesting skills wisely. Your stanza's should be setup (regardless of your level) to harvest whatever level material you want to harvest so that your focus and the source end at about the same time. You can do this by lowering the "speed" first, "rate" last, and others as needed to stay under the focus credit you need to have your focus last thru a complete source time.

If this seems complicated it isn't, but it is very effective and basically can turn you into a harvesting machine. Non-stop, no downtime harvesting...

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[zumwalt]

DT is way better than I am in harvesting, so his advise would be best on this subject IMO.

Harvest focus lost vs gained seems right to me, the only loss I have is from the Focus in the Prospecting, but I don't care about the time it takes to prospect, so I don't use that block.

What happens during my prospecting is say I loose 100 focus for my prospecting run the first time around, and I have 925 focus, when I start my harvest directly after prospecting, I am now at around 825 (give or take any regen).

When I finish my harvest, I am down to around 100 focus before I pull my 5'th item from the harvest.

When I start my second prospecting I am up around 850 focus, but since I am slow on prospecting, I get back close to 910 total focus before my prospecting hits its targets.

Then of course, I loose the 100, giving me 810 focus, loosing only 40 focus between pulls, so I can do up to 3 different prospect / pulls and hit 2 sources for up to 5 mats a source before I have to rest or loose to much focus for a full harvest at level 86 now of forest.

I wouldn't begin to try to talk you through my bricks or setup, because its probably very uneffective.

(Doubletap, Anissa was correct in her post on the DP, and I have stated that on the other thread, I screwed up on my numbers big time, and openly appologized, yes, its based on your single highest level of any skill and sub skills don't matter, Again, I am sorry to all of you whom I offended about the DP, carying it from thread to thread is ok if you want to continue to hound on my mistake,, I am SORRY.)

[qmodal]

There are actually 3 ways I've found so far to lose focus while extracting:

1. As stated in this thread, any focus amount that you self-heal during extraction is lost at the end of the extraction.

2. If you start a second extraction while a first hasn't completed (for example, the first stops due to lack of focus, but the source timer hasn't expired), the second extraction will eventually restore your focus to the level when it started (which could be more or less zero, in the example) instead of what it was before the first extraction started.

3. If you click Drop All during an extraction, the focus isn't restored at all.

[lyrah68]

Using all gentle is a MAJOR Focus hog. If you have the focus...go for it, but under 100...you have to conserve, OR spend crafting SP for focus/regen boosts, and wear best focus jewelery you can find. OR use weaker gentle stanzas.

I prospect 4 nodes (the higher the multisource stanza the longer they stay active waiting to be extracted on), use 300 focus selfheal to return focus to max (if you are prospecting with higher than a -400 credit then you are probably high enough lvl to increase the wait 10 seconds without worry :P), extract a node, extract a second node (yup it's still there because of multisource 3), and repeat. By the time i finish extracting both nodes and prospect again my selfheal is ready. I've been doing this since Q100 and now still at q150.

Group Harvesting? With one extractor and one careplanner, I've noticed less mats per person and less xp per person. 2 solo using all gentle with terrain specs can get more xp and more mats in the same time. The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.