A question of res

[troll16]

Last night in the campaign to drive out the kitin hoards from the Matis camps. I lay in a small group of dead people and one Matis stood alive near us I saw him look at me then leaving me dead he decides to raise one of his guild members next to me. But at least there is justice in the world because within 20 seconds he dead as well. So I know who you are and i'll be watching :).


So my question is: Is the the community changing so that guild members raise guild members or is it a case of guild members raise guild members as a matter of priority?

[kostika]

Usually I'll jsut res who I click on first. But sometimes if I see a group dead and know one is a healer I'll res them first jsut because its a help to get the others up.

Of course this may be differant for others

[troll16]

Usually I'll jsut res who I click on first. But sometimes if I see a group dead and know one is a healer I'll res them first jsut because its a help to get the others up.

Of course this may be differant for others

I agree Kostika I usually res who I click on first or in a difficult situation res who is best likely to be able to improve the situation. But this was not the case this time.

[kostika]

Some people are difficult and aren't as helpful as others. Lukcily they are few in this game.

[sprite]

For me its team members first, because they are easier to select in a pile of bodies (using the team window) but apart from that its healers or whoever I click on first.

[petej]

I wouldnt take that as a bad thing unless hed succeded in rezing his mate and they both ran off leaving you in the dirt. Itl always be a better tactic to rez someone you are in comunication with or someone whos abilitys you know (in the hopes of getting everyone back on their feet and keeping yourself from joining them on the ground)

I think you may be being abit harsh in your judgement (if this was made from a single "incident") and saying something like "he didnt rez me first im glad he died" is also lacking in community spirit :p


Edit :- Doh just refreshed and seen this

Originaly posted by Shadowblade
I agree Kostika I usually res who I click on first or in a difficult situation res who is best likely to be able to improve the situation. But this was not the case this time.

I still think ppl are becoming paranoid about guild prioritys mind you ,will be interesting to say the least once guild v guild is finaly ingame...

[ezex13]

This is not happening everyday and the community in Game is greatest ever the player who you refering sure he/she had his priorities....not sure why are you complaning.
Chill out man....

[troll16]

I wouldnt take that as a bad thing unless hed succeded in rezing his mate and they both ran off leaving you in the dirt. Itl always be a better tactic to rez someone you are in comunication with or someone whos abilitys you know (in the hopes of getting everyone back on their feet and keeping yourself from joining them on the ground)

I think you may be being abit harsh in your judgement (if this was made from a single "incident") and saying something like "he didnt rez me first im glad he died" is also lacking in community spirit :p


Maybe my judgement does seems harsh but when someone stands there looking at me for 10 seconds before deciding not to res. then can you really blame me. My question is still valid.

As for my comment about justice, it has nothing to do with community spirit just made me feel better at the time. After all if someone kicked you in the leg you would not say in the intrests of community spirit, it's ok mate I have another one.

[hans1976]

With the invasion I rezzed with the highest priority first, who:
- went down first
- was not guarded by some HUGE kitin
- is a healer
- can be reached (I have no range on my spells, so they must be far off to cause probs here)
- is in my team
- doesnt shout "Heal now!"

During the event I made no difference in guild or none guild.
Yes, Longblade, I didnt rez you in time, you had to spawn. No, two of your teamies didnt had to spawn, we rescued them. No, they were not in my guild, they were/are in yours. Yes, I tried, you were surrounded by three or four big kitins. Yes, I died several times while getting the others up to reset their counter. I also got killed twice while running forward trying to find you, I could not see you in my screen.
You logged of directly after your respawn, I did not had the chance to tell you I am sorry that we didnt make it in time, nor could I tell you that a team of four is not enough to travel through BB at that time. Please don't hold anything against me or Evo (unless it is a signed petition that says you will refrain from killing helpless Yubo's).

Grtz,

[troll16]

This is not happening everyday and the community in Game is greatest ever the player who you refering sure he/she had his priorities....not sure why are you complaning.
Chill out man....


It's not so much a complaint but more to do with the question I have asked.

[johanca]

how can you know he was looking at you? Just beqause character is pointet your way doesnt mean hes looking at you..

10 seconds isnt really a long time either...

I would res the one i think needs it the most, sometime that is the melee tank and sometimes its the healer, passing judegement like you did here because you didnt get ressed first is insane.

[troll16]

how can you know he was looking at you? Just beqause character is pointet your way doesnt mean hes looking at you..

10 seconds isnt really a long time either...

I would res the one i think needs it the most, sometime that is the melee tank and sometimes its the healer, passing judegement like you did here because you didnt get ressed first is insane.

You can see something is looking at you because an eye icon appears by it, be it person or mob. And 10 seconds is plenty of time.

[helbreat]

You can see something is looking at you because an eye icon appears by it, be it person or mob. And 10 seconds is plenty of time.

i totally agree 10 secs is enough time for me to res atleast 3 people

double heal takes about 3 seconds to cast and heals for 2k+ which instantly resses people, heal power is pretty high so not many people have an excuses for leaving people dead heh

[johanca]

Can you see the eyeicon when youre dead? i didnt know that..

And i cant raise people that quick.. atleast i dont know how.

[drizzeth]

Just concentrating on the 1st post, for al the time i have been playing Ryzom, from April open beta into closed beta and now retail, reviving people was an unwritten etiquette law, you see a dead person, you res, simple as that.

Now during April ope beta and most or actually all of closed beta time there wasnt even a death penaty, just politeness to res.

Now theres a death penalty added i think reviving people as an unwritten etiquette rule is even more important, not to speak about evets where you always res everyone so they can keep being part of the event.

Theres only one new addition to Ryzom gameplay i wonder what to dow th reviving, and that s pvp areas and guild pvp battles, still you can have a broad discussion whether or not to revivi a guildteam that lost the guild pvp batle, actually, if id fight guild pvp and win, id feel like i need to res the losing team out f politeness, then again, other people might not think the same.

[troll16]

Can you see the eyeicon when youre dead? i didnt know that..

And i cant raise people that quick.. atleast i dont know how.


99% of the time (has been in my case anyway) you will not even see the person let alone the eye icon of the person healing but in this case the other dead person (of the small dead group) in question and his healer were both visible because they were close enough to me.


And yes you can see the eye icon when you are dead.

[philu]

I don't care what guild people around me are when they die.

I will normally priotitize something like this:

First priority is anyone close to spawn, if known - if the only dead are in my team I check the hp bars and heal anyone near to spawn, otherwise I heal the first to fall if I saw who it was

If there's no aggro anymore I'll heal another healer (if known) to help me

If there IS still aggro I'll heal the main tank (if known) to keep them away from me while I heal the others

Finally everyone else, starting with first one I click on.

Obviously this really aplies if I was close to or involved in the combat that got them killed.

If I'm answering a call for rez, I will normally just heal in the order I click them, unless one shouts up that they are close to spawn.

Overall, my main priority will be to get the ones about to die up first. Nothing else matters. Not race, faction or guild.

[philu]

i totally agree 10 secs is enough time for me to res atleast 3 people

double heal takes about 3 seconds to cast and heals for 2k+ which instantly resses people, heal power is pretty high so not many people have an excuses for leaving people dead heh

You're forgetting one little fact here. Not everyone has high heal powers. The person in question might not be an uber healer.

[borg9]

Just a note....

Not sure if is common knowledge or not....

If you rez'ing someone to continue fighting Tank, etc...

Heal their main attacking attribute first

Fighter = stam
Magic user = sap

This way when they pop up rez'ed they can hit the ground running and are ready to fight instantly. You also have them selected and you are on the heal key to keep them going longer.

This of course doesn't apply to very high level chars that can use double spells to heal both heath & stam or heath & sap at the same time. I guess at that level they would know all there is to know anyway :D

I have noticed that high level healer also get lazy and wait till the last min to use a super heal. The number of times I have hit the dirt because of a lazy healer + critical mob hit, keep you fingers busy please. Use a low lvl heal that is covered by you regen rate rather than a umber heal that you only cast every now and then.

From a fighters perspective I would rather be over healed than eating dirt.

[predzz]

You're forgetting one little fact here. Not everyone has high heal powers. The person in question might not be an uber healer.

thats why you need to enchant your weapon with a heal appropriate to the HP (hitpoints - life) of the players you play with. Note once ppl die they have - 1/2 of their max HP, so someone with 1000 HP will have -500 HP when they die and if you heal them 1000 HP they will have (-500+1000) 500/1000 HP after the heal.

If you arent a good healer ask someone that is to crystalise a good heal for you and put it on your weapon/amp. Afterwards fill it with sap crystals and when someone dies you can easily resurrect them. Always helps to have some extra sap crystals in your inventory so you can fill up your weapon again for example when you are dead. This way when a big part of your team is dead, and the last person gets you ressurected you can get up some other members of your team within seconds which can then get more people up.

This is used a lot at higher lvls and when used correctly it makes teams pretty much invulernable.

Healers thinking they dont need this cause they can already heal well themselves remember this:
- using an enchant is instant and in case of healing it cant get resisted nor can your incantation fail (which may be the case with normal healing). It works 100%
- using an enchant on someone that just got killed by some mobs will not get the mobs that killed him to attack you. however if you use a normal heal instead (of an enchant on a weapon/amp) the mobs may come after you.

Anyway: putting a good heal on your weapons is essential and will help a LOT when things are getting tough and looking bad you can have your whole team back up and at full HP in seconds, turning the tide of the battle in your favor!

[helbreat]

You're forgetting one little fact here. Not everyone has high heal powers. The person in question might not be an uber healer.


lol uber healer? i have 115 skill and can heal for 2.7k so you dont need to be "uber" to heal someone, i have been ressing people since 20 def magic

[1mage]

Just a note....

Not sure if is common knowledge or not....

If you rez'ing someone to continue fighting Tank, etc...

Heal their main attacking attribute first

Fighter = stam
Magic user = sap

This way when they pop up rez'ed they can hit the ground running and are ready to fight instantly. You also have them selected and you are on the heal key to keep them going longer.

This of course doesn't apply to very high level chars that can use double spells to heal both heath & stam or heath & sap at the same time. I guess at that level they would know all there is to know anyway :D

I have noticed that high level healer also get lazy and wait till the last min to use a super heal. The number of times I have hit the dirt because of a lazy healer + critical mob hit, keep you fingers busy please. Use a low lvl heal that is covered by you regen rate rather than a umber heal that you only cast every now and then.

From a fighters perspective I would rather be over healed than eating dirt.

After 120 lvls of healing i have every right to get lazy =OP

[kostika]

- using an enchant on someone that just got killed by some mobs will not get the mobs that killed him to attack you. however if you use a normal heal instead (of an enchant on a weapon/amp) the mobs may come after you.


Ya know i hadn't thought of this. Think I'll be putting that on my mittens.

[1mage]

Ya know i hadn't thought of this. Think I'll be putting that on my mittens.


Hello boss lady =D

I have a Rez spell on my sword exactly for those sorta situations

[boinged]

Some great tips about enchanting weapons. Sometimes it seems to take ages to rez a high level player and I don't like standing around in light armour without my sword equipment waiting for their negative hp to fall (and possibly my positive hp) :)

[reignor]

Last night in the campaign to drive out the kitin hoards from the Matis camps. I lay in a small group of dead people and one Matis stood alive near us I saw him look at me then leaving me dead he decides to raise one of his guild members next to me. But at least there is justice in the world because within 20 seconds he dead as well. So I know who you are and i'll be watching :).


So my question is: Is the the community changing so that guild members raise guild members or is it a case of guild members raise guild members as a matter of priority?



well for me it is always a case of if aggro is still around i raise a fighter an he kill it if no aggro i raise a healer so we might get every1 up in time never guild member 1st :)

[oetken]

Regarding the first post, i feel the situation described is not about resing guild members first and leaving others in the dust. To me your question just misses the point: there is a homin just looking at you and doing nothing for 10 seconds. The reason for this is unclear and ur answer (he purposely denys you a res) is just too .. crazy and unfitting .. to fit the bill.

Id rather expect a person non reacting for 10 seconds to have technical difficultys or bothered by RL. Rushing back into the game might lead to the senario described above: Retarget quickly on ur teams healer/maintank and res him, not even checking ur old target first.

Just my 2 dappers,

vivy - mellee 75 def magic 58

[troll16]

Regarding the first post, i feel the situation described is not about resing guild members first and leaving others in the dust. To me your question just misses the point: there is a homin just looking at you and doing nothing for 10 seconds. The reason for this is unclear and ur answer (he purposely denys you a res) is just too .. crazy and unfitting .. to fit the bill.

Id rather expect a person non reacting for 10 seconds to have technical difficultys or bothered by RL. Rushing back into the game might lead to the senario described above: Retarget quickly on ur teams healer/maintank and res him, not even checking ur old target first.

Just my 2 dappers,

vivy - mellee 75 def magic 58




Interesting theory, but the character in question did not appear to be in any difficulty. Not only that but there were 2 others dead around me that were not from his guild he did not res them either, only the guild member which, is why I asked the original question. And the arguement about it's easy to target people in your team does not fit as he already had me as a target.

[xorte]

I keep rezzing people that don't want to be rezzed.

Xorte is out walking one day and spies a fellow player collapsing to the
floor having just that instant been slain by a low level mob.

Ooh ooh now's my chance to be chivalrous and show my community spirit. "Hey ho old chap hang on I'll rez u in a flash" I yell.

I excitedly hurl some magic at the offending beast and in seconds
the soiled player is back on his feet.

I stand there beaming with delight !

"No no I say, no need to thank me - anytime" I say, still beaming.

"For Jenas Sake you idiot" yells said player (and with some indignation !)

"I'm level 99999 in all the skill trees did you honestly think I could't defeat a suckling yubo !!", snorts now seemingly rather ungrateful player.

"Ummm" I reply rather puzzled and slightly offended, but more surprised overall.

"I have max dp you big blue excuse for a homin and I need to get to Matis asap for a Guild Meeting with my special clique of high level players (who all make quality 2000 amps and no you can't have any)" the player jeers.

"But now I'll just have to teleport, pah I should charge you 12k for rezzing me - thats the cost of the tp you know......" his sentence trails off as he dissapears in a puff of smoke.

I look around somewhat bewildered by the whole experience and just stand there puzzled for a few moments before continuing with my day......

So if you see me standing around looking puzzled - maybe I just rezzed someone who didnt want to be rezzed.

Xorte

[dam23]

Usually I'll jsut res who I click on first. But sometimes if I see a group dead and know one is a healer I'll res them first jsut because its a help to get the others up.

Of course this may be differant for others

I here, either res the healer first when in a small group.
Or, when I find about 5-6 dead, I try and cast a heal on everyone first, so that their release timer gets some extra time, then get the healer up.




Edit:
rofl xorte :D
found a WoW l33t RoxOr kid didnt you ? ;)

[philu]

I keep rezzing people that don't want to be rezzed.

Xorte is out walking one day and spies a fellow player collapsing to the
floor having just that instant been slain by a low level mob.

Ooh ooh now's my chance to be chivalrous and show my community spirit. "Hey ho old chap hang on I'll rez u in a flash" I yell.

I excitedly hurl some magic at the offending beast and in seconds
the soiled player is back on his feet.

I stand there beaming with delight !

"No no I say, no need to thank me - anytime" I say, still beaming.

"For Jenas Sake you idiot" yells said player (and with some indignation !)

"I'm level 99999 in all the skill trees did you honestly think I could't defeat a suckling yubo !!", snorts now seemingly rather ungrateful player.

"Ummm" I reply rather puzzled and slightly offended, but more surprised overall.

"I have max dp you big blue excuse for a homin and I need to get to Matis asap for a Guild Meeting with my special clique of high level players (who all make quality 2000 amps and no you can't have any)" the player jeers.

"But now I'll just have to teleport, pah I should charge you 12k for rezzing me - thats the cost of the tp you know......" his sentence trails off as he dissapears in a puff of smoke.

I look around somewhat bewildered by the whole experience and just stand there puzzled for a few moments before continuing with my day......

So if you see me standing around looking puzzled - maybe I just rezzed someone who didnt want to be rezzed.

Xorte

LMFAO!!

Great story Xorte! :)

Obviously one of those play all day, haven't got a life players!

If he/she was such a super dooper high level player, shouldn't they have enough money to be able to spend 12k without even noticing?! ;)

[ezex13]

I keep rezzing people that don't want to be rezzed.

Xorte is out walking one day and spies a fellow player collapsing to the
floor having just that instant been slain by a low level mob.

Ooh ooh now's my chance to be chivalrous and show my community spirit. "Hey ho old chap hang on I'll rez u in a flash" I yell.

I excitedly hurl some magic at the offending beast and in seconds
the soiled player is back on his feet.

I stand there beaming with delight !

"No no I say, no need to thank me - anytime" I say, still beaming.

"For Jenas Sake you idiot" yells said player (and with some indignation !)

"I'm level 99999 in all the skill trees did you honestly think I could't defeat a suckling yubo !!", snorts now seemingly rather ungrateful player.

"Ummm" I reply rather puzzled and slightly offended, but more surprised overall.

"I have max dp you big blue excuse for a homin and I need to get to Matis asap for a Guild Meeting with my special clique of high level players (who all make quality 2000 amps and no you can't have any)" the player jeers.

"But now I'll just have to teleport, pah I should charge you 12k for rezzing me - thats the cost of the tp you know......" his sentence trails off as he dissapears in a puff of smoke.

I look around somewhat bewildered by the whole experience and just stand there puzzled for a few moments before continuing with my day......

So if you see me standing around looking puzzled - maybe I just rezzed someone who didnt want to be rezzed.

Xorte


ROFLMAO Xorte.. you are great

the fact is, the exact thing happned to me a while ago....!! right now i just rez and run before (rezesd) player get chance to say thanx or fu** u.

[fiach]

An excellent story well told X, nice one :)