Community, what community?

[ashling]

Originally Posted by ajsuk

Whats there to disagree about? The factions are at war.
The situation shouldn't of been able to get like this, we need an official statement on it and it to be dealt with quickly to avoid further disapointment in the faction system (or lack of) for newcomers, nevermind those from long ago.

I disagree but lets leave it Jayce, your opinion won't change, my opinion won't change, it's all been argued before and it's all off topic for this thread.

[ajsuk]

Originally Posted by ashling

I disagree but lets leave it Jayce, your opinion won't change, my opinion won't change, it's all been argued before and it's all off topic for this thread.

Sounds good. =)

[rushin]

unbelievable.

this thread wasnt about the flaming TS get for giving up our OP, it was a general comment about the community and the game.

well thanks so much for showing everyone so quickly how the aris community is, cant even be bothered to disagree with me, just shout and scream...

[frakel]

To comment on the original post.

I entered Ryzom some months (I believe) after the introduction of outposts. In the game I have not yet been involved with the dealings or battles regarding outposts - not because of a conscious choice to avoid it - there has simply been so many other interesting things to spend my game time on. Perhabs Ill join into that part of the game at a later time...
Thus my only impression on the community spirit regarding outposts are experiences here on the forums. And standing here on the side of things I must agree that the general tone do seem to have become less nice as time has progressed. Competition, conflict and battles are great things in a game - but to some extent they do seem to spill over into the community. And that is sad.

EDIT: There are exception to the rule off course. Ive seen some nice threads with people on either side thanking each other for a nice fight. Thats great - but probably the exception, right?. Its just that the whole subject of outposts have become such a sore spot. Im even worried what responses Ill get for writing a post such as this...

[fiach]

In answer to the original post, I dont "play" anymore, just do OP's and hang out in Atys, because its a beautiful place.

I was here on release day and I've seen a beautiful community degenerate into a wow-forum-alike that we all used to poke fun at and thank god we wern't like.

Just puts me off playing as wholeheartedly as I once did.

[pyrrhon]

I agree with you (Rushin) that this community has become full of hate, mistrust, and arrogance. I disagree with you that the community is becoming indistinguishabe from WoW. WoW's community does not have nearly the level of animosity, bitterness, anger, or other bad feelings.

In other games, WoW for example, the world is stable. There are NO long term consequences to PvP. A person's faction is predetermined and permanent, based on race. So there is no bitterness when a horde player kills you, because it was expected from the beginning, and there is only a momentary loss. You spawn and get on with the game.

Here, Nevrax promised a game where players' actions would have a real effect on the world. Surprisingly, Nevrax delivered on this promise. I don't think the result is what Nevrax would have hoped for, but such is the risk they took in actually making a world where player actions made a difference. We made an amazing difference! We sent Nevrax into bankruptcy! Huzzah!

But seriously, I think being defeated again and again hurts the Kami players' psychology more than in other games. Worse, some of the kami start to believe the Kara line about how if the kami only tried harder, they could match the karavan, etc. This a vicious psychological weapon that is quite common in the U.S. at least. You see parents in the U.S. using it often, telling their kids that if they only tried harder, they could be top of their class, best football player, millionare, etc. But alas, the kid is just no good. It can be quite damaging to a person's psyche.

Anyway, I see the OPs as the root reason for the failure of this game and the destruction of what once was a fairly friendly online community. Ryzom would have made for a fantastic three year psychological study though.

p.s. for any player that is feeling real psychological stress from Ryzom, get out, the air here is toxic.

[bobjones]

Even if the Ryzom community degenerated into the worst possible state, it would still be better than WoW.

Postings on this forum are not an accurate reflection of the community as a whole.

[rushin]

i want to be clear, before i take a swift exit from this horrible forum for a while that all these negative things exist on both sides of the fence, maybe even on the fence as well

i just wish everyone could take a step back and see what we are becoming and try and do something positive about it before its too late.

[danolt]

As a person, the one sitting behind the character, I fully believe that every player is hoping to make Atys a better place. Everyone has a vision of how they want the world to be and are working towards it. There are obviously many different visions and the game is designed to make them clash.

What I do not accept is that other players, guilds or alliances actions can harm that vision. I only need to look at the Juggernaut that was created by the continual haranguing the KA endures. Opposition helps define and sharpen. Conflict is story, it is plot.

Those who preach peace are preaching death, they are handing out goo-aid. With no conflict, there is no story, no plot, no dilemmas, no resolutions, it is just a pointless grind.

[tydamus]

Greetings,

Just a friendly reminder before this thread goes into oblivion, to please watch your tones, your words, and your intent. I don't want to lock another thread.

Best regards,