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raynes
January 24th, 2005, 04:45 AM
The first strike against the supporters of the wicked Karavan was made this weekend. After making our intentions known at the Karavan convention, Kami supporters launched an assault on the AntiKami tribe of the Witherings. The battle was a tough one but in the end the only possible outcome happened, the Kami supporters victoriously cleared the camp free of the evil AntiKami. Let it be known that from this point forward any individual or group that is found to be popular with the Karavan will be assumed to be a supporter of them. This includes the neutral Pegasus Foundation. They have claimed neutrality for too long while their actions show differently. At first members attacked the Sacred Sap tribe. Then they were found to be protecting the vile Green Seed. Finally they were caught with large representation at the Karavan convention.

Let this be a warning to those who oppose the Kami and their ways. Your actions will not be tolerated. The Karavan have corrupted the minds of Homins to long, their alien presence disrupting plant and animal life. Let it also be known that the Kult of Kami is not alone and we have allies in many places. The chance for peace was extinguished when members of the Karavan sect Gladius Jenae along with several other groups, including that of the “neutral” Pegasus Foundation coldly murder the Sacred Sap.

At this time we are forming plans on our next target. Send out warning to your Karavan masters and their supporters, the time of the Kami is approaching.


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reynjl0
January 25th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Gladius Jenae sadly acknowledges your slaughter of the Anti-Kamis; they were hugely more powerful than the Green Seed to whom your wrath had previously been shown. Similar, we have set our sights higher on Kamist tribes in the Knoll of Dissent.

For those neutral players who watch the struggle between our guilds with growing alacrity fearing that all of Atys will be swept into conflict against their wishes, have no such fears. Gladius Jenae undertook missions commissioned by the Karavan and by a Sargeant of Davae, whom we can only assume represents the King of Yrkanis, to kill scores of the Sacred Sap which we did so. Our efforts to remove Kamist influence from Verdant Heights has so far been limited to these odd characters that are incapable of selective choice and thus redemption known as "NPC"s (hehe :)) No Kami follower controlled by a player who passes through Matis lands seeking passage, hunting, foraging, or trade rights will be disturbed in any way though me may silently bemoan your presence. We thus wish to maintain a peaceful air of decorum in our lands.

Berrule, Gladius Jenae High Officer

(Raynes, did killing the AntiKamis have any effect on your guild fame with either the Karavan or the Kami? After our guild had cleared the Sap camp about three times, killing around 50-100 Saps, we were quite shocked to realize that our guild fame with Matis had risen 30 points! We realize that guild fame is very slow to change with missions and so we were quite surprised. However our guild fame with the Zora and the Kami dropped 5 points each to compensate. I dont think mamy players are aware of the opportunity to change their guild fame in this method.)

zumwalt
January 25th, 2005, 06:50 PM
(good show old chap, you killed Those AntiKami good.. did you notice however, that both the sacred sap and antikami were... Zorians...)

raynes
January 25th, 2005, 07:02 PM
(Raynes, did killing the AntiKamis have any effect on your guild fame with either the Karavan or the Kami? After our guild had cleared the Sap camp about three times, killing around 50-100 Saps, we were quite shocked to realize that our guild fame with Matis had risen 30 points! We realize that guild fame is very slow to change with missions and so we were quite surprised. However our guild fame with the Zora and the Kami dropped 5 points each to compensate. I dont think mamy players are aware of the opportunity to change their guild fame in this method.)

It's funny I tried to tell people of the result of attacking certain NPC camps, but no one listened. Then when some finally came and tried it, they loved it. They saw guild fame rise a bunch, they saw both Zorai and Kami fame shoot through the roof. They are hooked now to say the least.

And Zum, yes the AntiKami are Zorai, but they are clearly supporters of the Karavan. Thier name after all is Anti-Kami. Killing them gave a nice boost to most players Kami fame.

josephm
January 25th, 2005, 09:54 PM
effects on personal/global fame? or just guild? Do non-guilded members have any benefit from this?

raynes
January 25th, 2005, 10:07 PM
effects on personal/global fame? or just guild? Do non-guilded members have any benefit from this?

You get a change in personal fame. If you are in a guild you get (or loose) guild fame with the groups you are attacking. You also get a raise in the general guild fame number. You don't have to be in a guild, you don't even have to be in a group.

Anytime people are interested in taking down some Karavan NPC tribes, let me know. Just keep in mind it took 10 of us to be successful in taking down the Antikamis, other tribes are as hard if not harder.

(I'm still kind of shocked this is such a big suprise to people)

josephm
January 25th, 2005, 10:38 PM
What about global?

I'm not really shocked, I remember killing leviers in beta. I was max level 50 magic though so I hadn't encountered any npc tribes that were agro. It's not like killing zora kovan randomly gives you fame ya know? Thought they fixed it so we had to run missions.

raynes
January 25th, 2005, 10:50 PM
What about global?

I'm not really shocked, I remember killing leviers in beta. I was max level 50 magic though so I hadn't encountered any npc tribes that were agro. It's not like killing zora kovan randomly gives you fame ya know? Thought they fixed it so we had to run missions.

Global Fame = Personal Fame + Guild Fame

So yes, global will change. Few things to keep in mind:
1) Only tribes that you can interact with will affect fame when killing them. Bandit tribes do not.
2) Fame will only change if you get xp. The fame you will receive will also depend on how much xp you get and your previous fame level. For example during the attack on the AntiKami camp, my Kami fame went up 1 point. It's because I am at 94 personal. Other people got much more.
3) For every increase, there are probably several decreases. Take the green seed, I don't think killing them raised anything. It dropped Karavan, Matis, and Tryker though.
4) The decrease in fame is massive. In a hour or two of killing green seed I went from about +30 Matis and Tryker fame, to -50. So if you do kill NPC tribes be prepared to deal with the negative fame.

josephm
January 25th, 2005, 11:38 PM
"if you get xp" so if I'm to high level to kill icon worshippers and get xp from them, I can kill them willy nilly with no effect on my fame? (or just negative but no positives?)

neiana
January 25th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Global Fame = Personal Fame + Guild Fame

+ Civilization fame. Your Global Fame is, by default, your Civ. fame until you raise your personal fame in some manner.

- N

vaquero1
January 26th, 2005, 02:31 AM
Raynes this was a great event. Our guild fame on our guild list went up 10 points and our real fame on the fame list went up buy at least 30 points in may of our kami allies. thx m8

raynes
January 26th, 2005, 04:04 AM
"if you get xp" so if I'm to high level to kill icon worshippers and get xp from them, I can kill them willy nilly with no effect on my fame? (or just negative but no positives?)

I don't think it will have any effect on on your fame good or bad.

josephm
January 26th, 2005, 04:13 AM
Yes thanks a lot Raynes. You've been a big help to many people :)

bodywand
January 26th, 2005, 08:35 AM
I don't think it will have any effect on on your fame good or bad.

This is the case in my experience.

raynes
January 26th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Yes thanks a lot Raynes. You've been a big help to many people :)

So when you going to join in and help us wipe Karavan scum from Atys?

reynjl0
January 26th, 2005, 07:05 PM
/RP off, information sharing on. :)

Interesting thing occurred, we performed a strike on First Deseter tribe in the Knoll of Dissent. They are a Matis Kami tribe, but are declared to be enemies of the Matis people according to game lore. By clearing their camp about four times our guild fame with Matis as well as the with the Matisian Border Guards (who are a Karavan Matis tribe in same area) rose by about 13 points, yet we lost an equal number of guild fame points with First Deserter. In addition we gained 1 guild Karavan point and lost one guild Kami point.

I just wanted to point out that in this case we enjoyed a net gain of fame, unlike the situation with the Sacred Sap where we suffered a horrible loss to Zora because they are a Kami Zora tribe. We really didnt wish to lose Zora fame if we didnt have to. So it seems that if you pick your tribes to attack carefully you can enjoy net fame gain.

In an analogous situation, are there any Karavan Zora tribes that are enemies of the Zora civilization? Havent spent much time in the witherings so dont know.

-Berrule, Gladius Jenae Officer

neiana
January 26th, 2005, 10:28 PM
In an analogous situation, are there any Karavan Zora tribes that are enemies of the Zora civilization? Havent spent much time in the witherings so dont know.


Well, I imagine the Anti Kami are, because my Zorai fame rose while killing them...

- N

josephm
January 26th, 2005, 10:59 PM
So when you going to join in and help us wipe Karavan scum from Atys?

whenever you see me in game I'm up for a hunt...unless I'm killing a boss, but I'll be there shortly!

madnak
January 26th, 2005, 11:19 PM
I was there and I wasn't getting a net positive fame. My personal matis and karavan fame didn't budge, though guild matis fame rose 9 points. I suspect it works like some missions - if your fame is above a certain level with a group, killing a tribe may stop affecting it.

xenoarch
January 30th, 2005, 04:53 PM
so it is possible to be a true nuetral, with positive kami and karavan? I'm gonna work hard at trying to do this, it it turns out i become negative in both kami and karavan ,which i hope doesn't effect spawn points i already gained, i have a small philisophical change to my Wyrddis's outlook to account for it. :)

madnak, question what is your fame for karavan and kami? it may end up i need to max postivie and negative first before i can get them to 0. of course doing this i should get all positve for racial

sathla
January 30th, 2005, 10:35 PM
CP and LPD has been wiping the floor at the antikami tribe today, what started out as a small group of us in CP turned out to be a good sized stomping force when joined by members of LPD.

I had to leave before we had finished but when I had left our forces had occupied the center of the antikami camp and was effectively butcering any antikami that dared oppose us.

Another blow struck to the Karavan scum has been dealt this day, praise be to the Kami and their fuzzy love :D

madnak
January 31st, 2005, 02:33 AM
I don't think it's possible any more to get positive kami and karavan. I have 48 personal karavan and -12 personal kami, but that's because I gained a lot of my karavan fame back when certain tribes gave positive karavan without negative kami.

sk8rss
January 31st, 2005, 09:47 PM
Indeed our time has come Raynes. I will help assure that every step made against us will be answered with a leap in the opposite direction!

raynes
January 31st, 2005, 09:52 PM
"if you get xp" so if I'm to high level to kill icon worshippers and get xp from them, I can kill them willy nilly with no effect on my fame? (or just negative but no positives?)

That's correct. I'm 98% sure you won't get and fame changes + or -, but I am 100% sure you won't get and fame increases.

josephm
February 1st, 2005, 07:22 AM
hmm to bad Tetra leveled guns! the most unlikely thing to level! i bet he has no more low levels to kill the iconworshippers of the Karavan...green seed? I haven't spent enough time there.