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Harbinger
November 8th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Mynias the Watcher, defender of the lands, and protector of all people, has called upon all guild leaders to attend a summit in Pyr this Sunday. It is of utmost importance that all who can attend do. Discussions will include cooperation between the races, as well as a warning system for kitin attacks. The meeting will take place at 6 o'clock EST, in Agora Hall in Western Pyr. All are welcome to attend, but guild leaders and representatives are urged to come. There will be a reception following the meeting, where eager Homins may look for a guild, and guilds may look for these Homins.

-On Behalf of Mynias the Watcher

jdiegel
November 8th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Is there a teleconference option for this?

raynes
November 8th, 2004, 06:48 PM
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xasher
November 8th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Is there going to be some kind of caravan escorting people out to the event? I'm not very high level and would like to attend but...the outlands have become so dangerous I am very afraid to make the attempt.

I'm not a guild leader but I will definitely pass this info to my guild leaders.

Torreg (member of the Brawler guild)

Takashi
November 8th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Is there going to be some kind of caravan escorting people out to the event?
Torreg (member of the Brawler guild)
We will not be able to provide escorts, however, I hope there will be some player caravans to aid you in your travel.

Takashi
Ryzom GM
NA Events Team

Trinity
November 8th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Out of Cavern guild will be there, with the leader as representative.

Atys needs all of us to work together for it's protection from these creatures.


Trinity
Out of Cavern
Guild Leader

vguerin
November 8th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Representatives of Melinoe will surely be there, but there'd have to be good reason to trust the Kami lovers !

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raynes
November 8th, 2004, 09:07 PM
This could go be viewed two ways.

1) The Fryos and the Fryos leaders feel this event is extremely important and as such will offer their guards and military personal to guard the way between the lands. If that be by setting up a series of guarded outposts in the roots along the path from each land. Or by offering personal escorts to and from the meeting from each of the lands.

2) This is really an act of war by the leaders of Fryos and the Fryos people becuase of their intentional holding of a meeting to discuss a warning system in a place that can only be reached though the death of many of the other nations citizens.

So I for me personally... If the Fryos government does not provide reasonable protected transportation to and from this meeting or they do not send representives to other lands to discuss the details of this meeting, I will no longer trust the Fryos people and I will accept this event as a declaration of war. After all it is the Fryos who got us into this mess by awaking the Kitins in the first place. I will not put myself in harms way becuase of poor planning on the part of other parties.

grusper
November 8th, 2004, 09:16 PM
I ready :)

Takashi
November 8th, 2004, 09:34 PM
So I for me personally... If the Fryos government does not provide reasonable protected transportation to and from this meeting or they do not send representives to other lands to discuss the details of this meeting, I will no longer trust the Fryos people and I will accept this event as a declaration of war. After all it is the Fryos who got us into this mess by awaking the Kitins in the first place. I will not put myself in harms way becuase of poor planning on the part of other parties.

Unfortunately the Fyros security forces are already stretched thin in providing defense for the summit itself. Were there an abundance of warriors, they would surely provide protection in the wilds, but every able bodied Fyros warrior will be needed to secure Pyr itself. There will likely be attendees bringing news back to each of the lands, however, so you will know the goings on of the summit.

jdiegel
November 8th, 2004, 09:40 PM
There will likely be attendees bringing news back to each of the lands, however, so you will know the goings on of the summit.

I wouldn't expect those who couldn't attend to automatically commit to any agreements made in their absence.

Takashi
November 8th, 2004, 09:48 PM
I wouldn't expect those who couldn't attend to automatically commit to any agreements made in their absence.

We hope that all parties, present or not, will consider the full weight of what will be discussed before commiting to any uncertain agreements. The meeting will be to discuss cooperation between the guilds, among all races. If you prefer not to aid in the common defense, then you will not be asked to. You are not bound by the word of your brethren.

vguerin
November 8th, 2004, 09:48 PM
Once again I feel I must voice my outrage at this flimsy excuse for poor security in such a time that the animals seem their most unstable. Other races have more difficulty then ever travelling and we risk losing our leadership in a past enemies liar.

Ask the Leviers how they felt losing their leader to the Frahars recently regardless of the belated rescue. Sending our own leadership to Pyr we have to rely on the same security is outragious !

If Mynias the Watcher has information that is important to the Matis, maybe his mighty Fyros escort can escort him to our borders and cities to tell us in person. We have no reason to take anyone on good faith at this time. We can no more go to their lands for aid then we can for this meeting in the numbers required to defend ourselves.

There is no guild speaking for Matis... Come to us and we will hear you out and maybe then we can collectively choose a direction together, though I cannot ever see an alliance with Kami Lovers.

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raynes
November 8th, 2004, 09:53 PM
Unfortunately the Fyros security forces are already stretched thin in providing defense for the summit itself. Were there an abundance of warriors, they would surely provide protection in the wilds, but every able bodied Fyros warrior will be needed to secure Pyr itself. There will likely be attendees bringing news back to each of the lands, however, so you will know the goings on of the summit.

So your telling me the Fryos government can't provide a group of 5 or 10 guards to go along with Mynias as he travels from land to land carrying his message?

It seems rather funny that the Fryos government sees nothing wrong with having other nations risk the lives of their own citizens to attend a meeting, yet refuse to have one of their own risk theirs.

If the Fyros governement sees this meeting as having extreme importance, they will either send people to other lands to discuss the matter. Or if they can not do that, the Fryos people have an Ambassador in each of the other races lands. That Ambassador has an open line of communication with the Fryos governement. Therefore it should not be a problem for the Ambassador to rely the messages of the meeting to those in other lands.

I'm sorry but this entire thing sounds way too much like "do it our way or none at all". The lack of ability of the Fryos government to plan a meeting with proper security and proper transportation to and from the event only displays just how waek the Fryos government is. It also demonstrates to me that in no way should anyone listen to the race that was careless enough to get us into this mess in the first place.

Either do something to make the meeting or the information of the meeting accessable to other races without their risking lives, or consider your actions a bad representation of how you government can handle crisis situations.

jdiegel
November 8th, 2004, 09:54 PM
We hope that all parties, present or not, will consider the full weight of what will be discussed before commiting to any uncertain agreements. The meeting will be to discuss cooperation between the guilds, among all races. If you prefer not to aid in the common defense, then you will not be asked to. You are not bound by the word of your brethren.

Sorry, I refuse to be muscled into any agreement, period, especially one put together under such lopsided conditions. Set up a summit where all parties can be represented equally and we'll talk.

Harbinger
November 8th, 2004, 10:36 PM
I have no message to deliver, I am no seer, no prophet. I had hoped that the utter destruction of our peoples and the loss of the old lands would be enough to convince us all that cooperation would be necessary. The kitin have followed us to these new lands. Their threat is a dark gloom lingering on our horizon. If we can not get beyond petty racial hatreds, then what chance have we against these fully unified monsters? They attack with one mind and with one mind we must defend.

Let us move beyond placing blame and take up arms, side by side, in a common defense of our new homes. We will meet in Pyr as planned, and I pray that those of you who can make it will come to represent your guild.

Keep in mind all who question this meeting, that no matter where we meet, others will need to travel to attend. And I have seen no others offering to host such an event. This meeting must go on as planned, but I would be eager to attend were another summit held in another land.

I pray that we will meet at the summit.

In Solidarity
Mynias

jdiegel
November 8th, 2004, 11:00 PM
If it wasn't for the fact that Nevrax made this an official event it wouldn't bother me at all. If Nevrax is going to have game wide events that potentially can effect every player in the game than they should make it accessible to all parties involved. All they would have to do is set up a small area that's kind of like a reverse newbie zone that everyone can port to, but can only return back to their own land from. I can not give my support to any summit of this nature where every homin of each race isn't represented equally, even if that summit was in Zora itself.

I'm sure you have the best intentions in mind, but there sayings out there about good intentions.

raynes
November 8th, 2004, 11:25 PM
I have no message to deliver, I am no seer, no prophet. I had hoped that the utter destruction of our peoples and the loss of the old lands would be enough to convince us all that cooperation would be necessary. The kitin have followed us to these new lands. Their threat is a dark gloom lingering on our horizon. If we can not get beyond petty racial hatreds, then what chance have we against these fully unified monsters? They attack with one mind and with one mind we must defend.

Let us move beyond placing blame and take up arms, side by side, in a common defense of our new homes. We will meet in Pyr as planned, and I pray that those of you who can make it will come to represent your guild.

Keep in mind all who question this meeting, that no matter where we meet, others will need to travel to attend. And I have seen no others offering to host such an event. This meeting must go on as planned, but I would be eager to attend were another summit held in another land.

I pray that we will meet at the summit.

In Solidarity
Minias


So what is the difference between going to a summit in other lands, and going to other lands to carry the message that was discussed in the meeting? Or an even better questions is how will you get to these other summits? You certainly can't make it alone through the Prime Roots.

You speak of a new threat and of the Kitin attacking us in the future. Have you no concept of the fact that on the voyage to Pyr many lives WILL be lost to the Kitin. It's not a matter of them invading, it's a matter of us walking right on to their diner plate as we attempt to get to your summit.

You talk of unity, yet you give the message "come to our meeting or be left out". It's been very clear that many people simply can not and will not take this voyage. Even if some wanted to, it is just not possible. If you were truely interested in unity then you would figure out a better way to have such a meeting. You would get your government to use their ambassadors in each land to discuss this matter.

The Kitin threat might be getting larger by the moment. But holding meetings that are impossible to attend is no way to deal with the issue. I said it before and I will say it again.... If you insist on holding this summit where the only way to get to it is to sacrafice the lives of many other races citizens, then you are bordering on creating a very cold relationship between the Fryos and memebers of the other races. Furthermore having a meeting that will discuss a warning system where 3/4's of Atys citizens can't attend will end up with a warning system that just doesn't work.

vguerin
November 9th, 2004, 12:06 AM
If it wasn't for the fact that Nevrax made this an official event it wouldn't bother me at all. If Nevrax is going to have game wide events that potentially can effect every player in the game than they should make it accessible to all parties involved. All they would have to do is set up a small area that's kind of like a reverse newbie zone that everyone can port to, but can only return back to their own land from. I can not give my support to any summit of this nature where every homin of each race isn't represented equally, even if that summit was in Zora itself.

I'm sure you have the best intentions in mind, but there sayings out there about good intentions. (Takes off Matis RP hat for a minute)
You either take part or you dont... Event aside, if there is truly no way for you to get there ensure those that are travelers speak for you. I am sure C.P. will be there to represent the Zorai.

[RP hat back on]
We trust the Zorai no more than the Fyros... Those following the ways of the Kami will rarely be trusted as a civilization. However, I have stood side by side with some of the great warriors and mages or all races and know there to be some whose word can be trusted.

Which of these Fyros Guilds can stand by this call and lend creedence to this meeting ? I am sure there are many guild throughtout the lands waiting for this information. We may be able to put our differences aside for a common reason, not without the strongest of Fyros represented can we trust our emissaries so far from home.

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raynes
November 9th, 2004, 12:12 AM
You either take part or you dont... Event aside, if there is truly no way for you to get there ensure those that are travelers speak for you. I am sure C.P. will be there to represent the Zorai.

You can't imagine how you made me cringe when you said that. That is exactly what needs to be prevented. One guild represeting an entire race. We are walking down a very dangerious path when we have meeting where certain guilds are speaking for everyone.

Mekos
November 9th, 2004, 01:49 AM
CP will attend the summit in a show of solidarity with our Kami brothers in the desert. For that matter, we will support all homin no matter their allegiance against the onslought of the kitin hordes.

jdiegel
November 9th, 2004, 01:59 AM
CP will attend the summit in a show of solidarity with our Kami brothers in the desert.

Which is nice but...

By no means is Comitatus Praetorian a random sampling as so these numbers aren't entirely representative:


...Which is why that concerns me.

loyats
November 9th, 2004, 04:15 AM
Not all of us Fyros bow blindly to the Kami fiends and their weak tribal allies. I for one would never support a dissident tribe or perform in an act of grace towards one (The Leviers Rescue). I will raise my sword, dirk, and pike to the cause of defending my people and those who wish defense from the Kitin, but those who choose to live outside our accepted customs and laws should reap the consequences of their actions. Honour will be represented at this meeting and welcome all fellow true believers in Jenna despite their race or prejiduce. And i know many guilds have access to teleportation which should grant much safer passage than any Kami lover would.

fynglas
November 9th, 2004, 07:05 AM
And what of us young bloods not yet strong enough to make it to the mainland? Are we to rush our studies & training for a meeting of our eldars only to be stranded in a new land before our training is over? Perhaps the Kami's and Karavan peoples could simulcast the meeting in the training halls across the land :p

archie
November 9th, 2004, 07:33 AM
My giuld will be there.
Desert Templars.
fyros giuld.

raynes
November 9th, 2004, 07:45 AM
I have made the decesion that as it's not possible for me to attend this meeting, nor is it possible for other members of my guild to attend this meeting that in protest I personally will not help in any co-operative effort to fight the Kitin. If you can't work out a way for all of Atys homins to have representation at this meeting, then you can not expect all Homins to join you in your actions. Besides what difference does it make if I'm am asked to go into the PR where there is instant death and sit in the middle of an invasion and do nothing where there is instant death.

billg1
November 9th, 2004, 02:53 PM
I have made the decesion that as it's not possible for me to attend this meeting, nor is it possible for other members of my guild to attend this meeting that in protest I personally will not help in any co-operative effort to fight the Kitin. If you can't work out a way for all of Atys homins to have representation at this meeting, then you can not expect all Homins to join you in your actions. Besides what difference does it make if I'm am asked to go into the PR where there is instant death and sit in the middle of an invasion and do nothing where there is instant death.


Hahaha

Why should anyone make it possible for you to attend a meeting? If your unable to be there thats your fault and your inablity to travel across the lands. It is no ones responsability to make sure you are there for an event but your own. if you had actually taken the time to learn how to travel across the dangerous lands you might have been able to make it.

Now your just giving up without trying. Your not going to be alot of help in the days to come of kitin invasions. And now you are afraid of other guilds leading? You have no right to lead if you cannot even travel to fyros. You show nothing bu weakness with giving up without even really trying. Your voice is that of failure and running away when the going gets hard. Nothing you say is any consequence and should ever listened to. People follow leaders, leaders lead by example.

Try stepping up and being a leader instead of a whiner that wont even take the chance to step up and fail. Lead your guild across the lands, fight and win through and then and only then will anything you have to say be taken seriously. Then and only then will any of us know we can count on you and your guild during the upcoming invasions.


Now seriously raynes if you want to be there do the following - this goes for anyone trying



Get 1 group of 9 - any more than that is simply put stupid and you deserve to die and never make it. It becomes utter chaos and full of useles, mindless failures - to many people mainly mainly because of the roots and BB

3 tanks, 3 Healers, 3 Nukers - You need fears, stuns and blinds - roots help
You want to at least get tank of level 150 for taunt
1 person is a scout - he runs ahead and looks for openings and what to pull to create windowsfor the group to pass thru he is also a puller
1 person (not the scout) is the leader usually the MT.
EVERYONE follow the leader, no one passes the leader EVER
Stay in single file lines
Stay tightly packed and grouped up

Do not fight in packs of heribivores
No AE damage spells EVER you aggro plants
If you see a predator attacking a herbivore in your path help the herbivore with blinds/stuns

Careful of the DOTs on mobs. Mages stay back. Get off there corpses they still hurt after dead.
Die to the DOT at your own risk.

No idle chit chat - pay attention to the task at hand of travelling
This kills groups more then it should
To many people want to hold useless conversations
You have a mission and its not easy
If someone is not paying attention there a liability in the field - kick them

You have to learn to pull singles.
You have to learn to bide your time and have patience on the pulls.
You need to watch your radar not your screen
Learn what mobs to pull to creat a window to pass thru and between the larger groups instead of fighting them
Pull to safe spots and kill them

Try to win thru but Expect failures - you actually want to fail several times before getting thru
Do not worry about DP - Do not expect xp
Suck it up and deal with it, its a learning experience
Do it over and over and over till you get it right
Most of all pay attention and learn what worked and what didnt work on every attempt
You will learn more from your failures then your successes
Failing is a wake up call telling you to try somthing else nothing more
Those that are afraid to fail never succeed
Those that learn from thier failures excel from there successes

I died and failed many times on many tipes and racked up huge DP getting thru the roots/BB/Matis many times.
MY guild has failed many times as well folowing me - but has now suceeded more then failed becuase we took the time
to learn how to do it. we ate the deaths and learned from our failures how to do it. Its called experience

Give it a shot before giving up - good luck

raynes
November 9th, 2004, 03:14 PM
Then and only then will any of us know we can count on you and your guild during the upcoming invasions.


That's a great one.... How any of US can count on you and your guild in UPCOMING invasions. Tell me would those be Ryzom invasions or WoW invasions? The last time I read you were going on and on about how you were quitting the game and going to play WoW. So your opinion and thoughts on this matter mean nothing as you will not be a part of any of it. Especially since the "we" and "upcoming" doesn't include you.

And as a side note, don't count on me. I'm perfectly happy watching the Kitin come in and wipe out Zora. The way I look at is if the Fryos government and my own government can ask me to go into the Prime Roots, and watch me die with no help, then I have no problem watching them die with no help.

jdiegel
November 9th, 2004, 03:29 PM
You know, Varthlokkur, you're going to fit in great amongst the WoW community.

svayvti
November 9th, 2004, 07:43 PM
Just because Raynes is amusingly hypocritical:

"1) This thread isn't about whether or not you can make it to Pyr. It's about an invitation to an even't in Pyr and how everyone isn't welcome or can make it. It's my attempt to demonstrate that I beleive it isn't. Billg1 posted real examples of where I how to get there, how many are needed, and what is needed to do it. In otherwords billg1 made an arguement, billg1 gave his reasons, and he supported those reasons with facts. Now the idea is for you (or anyone) to argue the opposite point. Nothing you have said so far even comes close to that. If you can't do that, then you have no real arguement and shouldn't even bother responding.

2) You can not prove that the different races can't make it to Pyr. That is a statement you made up. There is no way you can know exactly how many people have left the game or how many are staying."

Courtesy of Raynes' endless trolling on the forums (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5638&page=5)

The endless whining about getting everything your way and taunting everyone who is different is highly annoying. You are fitting in perfect for a community of a game that is dying out and nobody is left.

raynes
November 9th, 2004, 08:36 PM
"1) This thread isn't about whether or not you can make it to Pyr. It's about an invitation to an even't in Pyr and how everyone isn't welcome or can make it. It's my attempt to demonstrate that I beleive it isn't. Billg1 posted real examples of where I how to get there, how many are needed, and what is needed to do it. In otherwords billg1 made an arguement, billg1 gave his reasons, and he supported those reasons with facts. Now the idea is for you (or anyone) to argue the opposite point. Nothing you have said so far even comes close to that. If you can't do that, then you have no real arguement and shouldn't even bother responding.

This thread is about an event in Pry that is being held so that ALL (notice that word) guilds can discuss a warning system for soon to come invasions. My complaint about such and event is that it is not possible for a member or representive of all guilds to be at this event due to the difficulty involved in making it through the prime roots.

I back up my statement by using my guild as an example. Three members of the guild tried to group and make it though each of the roots entrances. They as a group could not make it. One tried for 9 hours and finally made it. Well that is fine and dandy, but 9 hours is not a period of time the majority of players have to attempt this trip.

Now your arguement is that it is possible based upon an example given earlier. The only problem with that example is that it requires 9 players, not just 9 players but 9 very players with specific skills. There are guilds out there who do not have a group of 9 people to make it across. The guild I am in being one of them. I can think of at least 2 or 3 others that do not have the required number of players to attempt this trip.

Lets say I even accept the idea of players grouping together to get across the roots. This meeting is at 6 on Sunday. How long does it take a player who has never been across to make it? How about the entire trip to Pyr? Four, Five, Six or more hours?

So are you seriously going to try and argue that it's reasonable to expect players to spend an afternoon trying to get to this meeting? Or is the truth of the matter that this meeting by it's very nature is setup for two groups, power gamers who have hours upon hours to attempt this, and guilds/players such as yourself who got the spawn points before the changes to the roots? While more casual players and smaller guilds are left without a damn say in anything that goes on.

Now I challange you or the GM who thought up this rediculous event to show me how the average player who is the leader of a small guild can make it to this meeting if they have 2 or 3 hours to play a day.

billg1
November 9th, 2004, 09:01 PM
This thread is about an event in Pry that is being held so that ALL (notice that word) guilds can discuss a warning system for soon to come invasions. My complaint about such and event is that it is not possible for a member or representive of all guilds to be at this event due to the difficulty involved in making it through the prime roots.

I back up my statement by using my guild as an example. Three members of the guild tried to group and make it though each of the roots entrances. They as a group could not make it. One tried for 9 hours and finally made it. Well that is fine and dandy, but 9 hours is not a period of time the majority of players have to attempt this trip.

Now your arguement is that it is possible based upon an example given earlier. The only problem with that example is that it requires 9 players, not just 9 players but 9 very players with specific skills. There are guilds out there who do not have a group of 9 people to make it across. The guild I am in being one of them. I can think of at least 2 or 3 others that do not have the required number of players to attempt this trip.

Lets say I even accept the idea of players grouping together to get across the roots. This meeting is at 6 on Sunday. How long does it take a player who has never been across to make it? How about the entire trip to Pyr? Four, Five, Six or more hours?

So are you seriously going to try and argue that it's reasonable to expect players to spend an afternoon trying to get to this meeting? Or is the truth of the matter that this meeting by it's very nature is setup for two groups, power gamers who have hours upon hours to attempt this, and guilds/players such as yourself who got the spawn points before the changes to the roots? While more casual players and smaller guilds are left without a damn say in anything that goes on.

Now I challange you or the GM who thought up this rediculous event to show me how the average player who is the leader of a small guild can make it to this meeting if they have 2 or 3 hours to play a day.

Im probably wasting my time but im bored at work.

Listen Raynes, listen well

Quit making excuses. Be a leader, take some initiave and put together a team and TRY. Step up and lead your guild to and through the story you want to be a part of. Do as I said or as close to the numbers and skills as I said and give it a shot. All the time you spend here compaling you should be trying to plan out ideas for accomplishing the task. The old saying quitters never win, winners never quit is very tru when it is applied to travellign across ryzom. Perfect example is your 1 player who tried for 9 hours...now that is my kind of person. Never quit and accomplished his goal. Bet he learned alot. Ask him how he did it. Have him lead you.

Your right I am quitting, Ryzom has nothing to offer me now or in the future. But I know how to travel these lands and that is the content of this game. Hard dangerous travel is the intended content and will only be possible for the strong and the quick.


You have nothing to lose if you try, you have everything to lose if you don't

jdiegel
November 9th, 2004, 09:05 PM
Have you tried since patch 1? You know, that patch where a majority of people who have made it before, and have commented on since, have stated that they doubt is possible at the games current state?

Why should I jack up my dp, more than it already is, for an event that shouldn't have been planned the way it was in the first place?

billg1
November 9th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Have you tried since patch 1? You know, that patch where a majority of people who have made it before, and have commented on since, have stated that they doubt is possible at the games current state?

Why should I jack up my dp, more than it already is, for an event that shouldn't have been planned the way it was in the first place?

Yes I have and its more difficult but not impossible.

Quit woring about DP. As long as your worry about DP you will never accomplish anything. Set your goal, work towards that goal ignore everythign else. Get experience in traveling the lands not on your toon. Only when you do this will you actually be able to make it.

Kill the kinchers at underarch
5 min travel to BB spawn area
Kill those kinchers

Do as I posted before to get thru BB - pay attention, pull the right mobs, make windows to run thru. Keep it tight and single file.

Your group has to move and act like the military, learn now, because thats what your going to be fighting en-mass when the invasions start.

This is your wake up call to begin preparring. All that are left must unite and work together or your doomed to die over and over then log off when the invasions begin.

zumwalt
November 9th, 2004, 09:14 PM
Pegasus Foundation will have representation at this meeting also.

jdiegel
November 9th, 2004, 09:15 PM
Did you make it?

raynes
November 9th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Kill the kinchers at underarch
5 min travel to BB spawn area
Kill those kinchers


Yeah... I lead my guild to killing the Kinchers at underarch. Of course that would be quickly followed by the death of my guild in about 20 seconds flat. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt, we go in and we kill the Kinchers. Then how do you propose we hand the Kitin patrol that will attack us on the way?

billg1
November 9th, 2004, 09:26 PM
Yeah... I lead my guild to killing the Kinchers at underarch. Of course that would be quickly followed by the death of my guild in about 20 seconds flat. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt, we go in and we kill the Kinchers. Then how do you propose we hand the Kitin patrol that will attack us on the way?

There are patrolls they are on set paths. You try going thru, learn the safe path ... get a guide .. try .. trial and error. You can succeed or fail. But at least you put out the effort instead giving up. You gain real experience. Once you have done t once you can do it over and over and over. But you have to put in the time the effort and the sacrifice.

Use your radar - learn what are patrolls - learn what are herbivore packs ;)
The radar does have differnt levels of setting.

billg1
November 9th, 2004, 09:30 PM
And try getting friends of your guild from other guilds, get more people to kill the kinchers if you need to.

Unite some of the smaller guilds. Thats what this all about. Read between the lines of the GMs posts. Be a part of the story not a reader of it.

You can do it if you try, you cant if you just sit back and give up without even trying.

jdiegel
November 9th, 2004, 09:47 PM
You never stated whether or not your post patch expedition was successful.

euwest
November 10th, 2004, 01:01 AM
what does it matter if his was, try it yourself. stop complaining about the event and work towards getting there to be a part of it. not everything will be handed to you on a silver platter.

it really IS impossible if you don't try.

jdiegel
November 10th, 2004, 01:50 AM
what does it matter if his was, try it yourself. stop complaining about the event and work towards getting there to be a part of it. not everything will be handed to you on a silver platter.

it really IS impossible if you don't try.

Read my post about how I would still be against this if it was in my own backyard.

I'm only calling him out because he makes it sound like it something anyone in the game could accomplish within the next five days, and the GM's are going right along with him stating they hope players can provide escorts for those who need it while other players who have made the trip before patch 1, which came out less than a week ago, are saying that the possibility is currently iffy at best.

/sigh

But no, everybody thinks I'm just being greedy. That this is a "me" thing. That I only have my best interest in mind.

Whatever. Have your little meeting.

vanderpm
November 10th, 2004, 02:52 AM
This could go be viewed two ways.

1) The Fryos and the Fryos leaders feel this event is extremely important and as such will offer their guards and military personal to guard the way between the lands. If that be by setting up a series of guarded outposts in the roots along the path from each land. Or by offering personal escorts to and from the meeting from each of the lands.

2) This is really an act of war by the leaders of Fryos and the Fryos people becuase of their intentional holding of a meeting to discuss a warning system in a place that can only be reached though the death of many of the other nations citizens.

So I for me personally... If the Fryos government does not provide reasonable protected transportation to and from this meeting or they do not send representives to other lands to discuss the details of this meeting, I will no longer trust the Fryos people and I will accept this event as a declaration of war. After all it is the Fryos who got us into this mess by awaking the Kitins in the first place. I will not put myself in harms way becuase of poor planning on the part of other parties.

I must agree, it is impossible for this one event to be able to include a majority of the guilds from any single race except the Fyros. It is a blatant slap against the other races who cannot relaibly make the trip to this important meeting and is in the very least a major disregard for the alliances that exsist between the races.

zzeii
November 10th, 2004, 04:51 AM
Please read:

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5885

dc77066
November 10th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Since I was fortunate enough to make a journey to Pyr prior to the Great Change (thanks to the assistance of other guilds and the sacrifice of my fellow guildmates) I will be in attendance. If the Kitin are on the move again, we will need to prepare. The Kitin don't recognize political bountries, guilds, alliances or races. As homins we are their enemy. They are our plague.

For three generations my people have been rebuilding. I am not willing to start again elsewhere. Here I make a stand. The flag of Ballistic Mystix has been planted and will hold firmly.

Jena and the Karavan saved us from the edge of extinction last time. Pray that they will be our allies once again.

kahuna
November 10th, 2004, 09:15 PM
We trust the Zorai no more than the Fyros... Those following the ways of the Kami will rarely be trusted as a civilization. However, I have stood side by side with some of the great warriors and mages or all races and know there to be some whose word can be trusted.

Which of these Fyros Guilds can stand by this call and lend creedence to this meeting ? I am sure there are many guild throughtout the lands waiting for this information. We may be able to put our differences aside for a common reason, not without the strongest of Fyros represented can we trust our emissaries so far from home.

I could say some of the same things about those who follow the Karavan... but in the interest of peace and defense against the Kitin I will not. I have not seen anything from the Karavan themselves, or from their followers, that makes me believe that they are better (or worse) in any way that those who (by birthright or by choice) follow the Kami. In this matter, as in all other parts of my life, I treat people based on their personal actions and attitudes, not on those stereotypes of their guild or their birth.

My guild will be there, although we are small to the point of insignificance at the moment, because we must stand together as a species, not just as a race, to survive and triumph against the Kitin.

Mekos
November 14th, 2004, 09:54 PM
Blatant bump :rolleyes:

andrecyr
November 15th, 2004, 02:48 AM
Well, we came to Pyr, but only Mynias seemed to meet his destiny, lol. :D

grandma
November 16th, 2004, 05:00 AM
some pictures from the summit...

http://ryzom.vx3lan.com/ryzom/images/gallery/index.php?nav=%3E2004%2011%2014%20Pyr%20Summit