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Shadowt
November 15th, 2004, 01:02 AM
The Guild Summit in Fyros was riven by tragedy today. A homin calling himself Mournblade, wearing black matis armor, interrupted the speech of the great Fyros hero Mynias with poison and sword. Although Mynias survived the initial strike, the poisoned blade of the treacherous assassin proved to be too much and Mynias collapsed from the effects of the poison. Through the grace of the Kami, Mynias survives, but is deeply wounded and will be out of action and recovering for a time.

To the credit of the new generation of homins, the assassination did not spark mass chaos. Though some left the meeting, others stayed, debating a warning system between the guilds to warn of impending raids and a council to run the lands well into the evening hours. Trinity and other veterans of the Matis raids spoke of their experience with the kitin raiders and major guild leaders, officers, and representatives attended, including Pandorae, Nuit, Apoljing, Rakujitsu, Basic, Sanjian, Quahooneh, Jinari, Melodie, Maril, Wylkroe, Parkster, and Gfunk.

One unfortunate homin got in touch with Mournblade after his escape. His only words were a chilling "We are doom and Atys shall bleed."

Below, the text of Mynias' speech:

Good day to you homins.
I know some of you risked much to make it here and I thank you all for coming.

For those who have not seen me before, I am Mynias the Watcher. I try to keep an eye on the movement of the kitins and help alert the populace when I can.

I also try to assist the younger Fyros when I have the opportunity.

Almost fifty years ago, a party of Fyros miners went down into the roots, seeking the great dragon of myth.

What they found was far worse. A swarm of kitin swept out of the roots and across the lands, killing all who stood in their path.

You have all undoubtedly heard the stories. It is vital that we never forget what happened, so that we know the price of failure well.

When we first arrived on these new lands, two years after the Great Swarming, the presence of the kitin was almost unseen.

Shortly after our arrival on these new lands, the way for refugees was made open, and the influx from the old lands began.

Among the first incoming was the great band of fighters known as the Force of Fraternity.

They had battled in the old lands to protect the path for the refugees, and they came here to protect the newfound lands just the same.

The Force of Fraternity was a band of homins without concern for color or creed, there were members from all four races, and they fought together.
They fought fiercely against the common enemy, and when they came to this new land,

they did not resume their roles of 'Matis' or 'Fyros', nor 'Zorai' or 'Tryker'
They were but protectors, defenders, fighters, and warriors working together against the common foe. This, my friends, is why I have asked you here.

Since our new beginning in these lands, the kitins have again made their presence known. Their numbers are swelling. The refuge we once sought in the prime roots is no longer feasible as they have set up patrols to guard the territory.

There are some who would say that homins cannot work together and I must confess, I see their point. There is much bad blood between our races, a history of intrigues and slaughter reaching back through the years.

However, I disagree with them. We have banded together before. The mighty Force of Fraternity got along for a number of years. There was a Pact of Mutual assistance signed. And other efforts have been made, proving that we are able to work together.

Most of these cooperative efforts were accomplished through our guilds, which brings us to the purpose of our summit today.

Homins of Atys, I do not ask you to set aside the past. Many of the wrongs done among our peoples will not be forgiven easily. But what I wish you would consider is this.

If the kitins destroy the Matis, they will destroy the Fyros, the Tryker, and the Zorai as well. If we do not band together to fight them, we will most certainly die separately.

We may bicker and fight and backstab, for that unfortunately seems to be the way of our people. However, I ask all of Atys to consider joining together when we face a larger threat.

When the hordes come, I beg you to set aside your grudges and work together. On those days, I ask you that you think of yourselves not as Fyros or Matis or Tryker or Zorai, as a Jena follower or a Kami follower.

When the hordes come, I want you all to be homins. I do not ask for an end, a pact or treaty to be signed today.

What I ask for is a beginning. Until we have put a lasting end to the terror of the kitin hordes, we must stand together. I can not unite your people for you. This burden is yours and yours alone.

If you can find the strength of will to give up your distaste for those who do not share your social values, or religious customs, and commit to working together against Atys' greatest nemesis,

I will make it my personal obligation to warn each race of an incoming force.

As I have mentioned, I have spent years watching the movement of the hordes. When the time comes, and it surely will, that they move against the homins of these lands, I will make certain that every race has knowledge of these attacks.

So what say you fellow homins? Will you band together to fight the common enemy, will you forsake your objections and join with those you hate, to overcome that which knows nothing but? What say you, yay or nay?

pandorae
November 15th, 2004, 02:49 AM
A small detachment of Zoran warriors did a full sweep of Atys immediately on the heels of the assasin's escape. Mournblade was not present anywhere in Atys, leaving speculation of possible Karavan association in the attack. This possibility could be bolstered by the conspicuous departure of some of the most loyal of the Karavan soldiers immediately following the collapse of Mynias. Perhaps once they witnessed the succesful attack, they determined that their mission was accomplished.

Be warned

ozzy111
November 15th, 2004, 03:10 AM
Obviously a violent attempt to distract others from the message to be delivered.

If we allow this incident to bolster our hatred of the Karavan due to the seemingly apparent involvement in this assasination attempt then whoever is really behind it has succeded in their mission.

I think the call to band together to be the correct course of action and will not allow this incident to deter me from joining forces with all those like minded.

Ryzorski
Terasu Aduro

kahuna
November 15th, 2004, 06:01 AM
Obviously a violent attempt to distract others from the message to be delivered.

If we allow this incident to bolster our hatred of the Karavan due to the seemingly apparent involvement in this assasination attempt then whoever is really behind it has succeded in their mission.

I think the call to band together to be the correct course of action and will not allow this incident to deter me from joining forces with all those like minded.

Ryzorski
Terasu Aduro

Agreed.

Despite the inflammatory, rude, and obnoxious statements made by certain members of certain guilds during the meeting, I remain true to one of my fundamental principles: that every homin should be treated as his actions and attitude deserve, and not on the basis of his Guild, his Race, or his Religion.

Every homin on Atys needs to have one goal in mind: be ready for what is coming. The kitin will attack again, though we do not know when or where. All of Atys is vulnerable to their depradation, and we must be ready - as individuals, guilds, and races.

raynes
November 15th, 2004, 06:21 AM
I find it funny that Mynias doesn't see that fact that going into the Prime Roots has a direct connection with the Kitin advances. They attacked 50 years ago (thought it was 300???). He makes it a point that there were none in the new lands when we first appeared but have been increasing since. Did he also take into account that since we have settled into the new lands many homins have gone into the roots? Did he note that he had a large number of homins travel through the roots for this very meeting? I ask you if the Kitin marched through Pyr or Zora on a regular basis, wouldn't you send your armies out to fight the invaders? Well that is what the Kitin are doing. We are marching through their terroritory on a regular basis. They are responding.

Let me ask this question. How many kitin are there? How many invasions will happen? Do you honestly think there are more homins than Kitin? Do you think us homins can handle 10, 20, 30+ waves of 100's or 1000's of kitin one right after another? What is going to happen when we reach the point where there are so many homins dead that we can no longer hold them back any longer?

No simply preparing to fight the kitin is a foolish move. The end result is only the loss of many Homins lives and not the saving of our cities. We need to find out why they are invading our lands. I do not beleive it is becuase they are blood thursty creatures. If that were the case, then they would have came after us well before the Fryos disturbed them. They have intellegence. They communicate, they plan, they protect, and they attack. Creatures that advanced don't just kill for blood, no they kill and invade for a reason.

The key to stoping the invasions and the Kitin is to find out why they want to invade.

neiana
November 15th, 2004, 07:20 AM
The key to stoping the invasions and the Kitin is to find out why they want to invade.


for someone that knows enough to say the Roots are Kitin territory, you seem to lack .. well .. any other knowledge.

One statement, and one statement alone can attest to the reason the Kitin attack:

"Fraught with fear and horror, their first reflex was to destroy the first giant insects they came across."

Gee, if little creatures suddenly popped into Earth and killed your family, wouldn't you want to seek them out? -_-

- N

raynes
November 15th, 2004, 08:28 AM
for someone that knows enough to say the Roots are Kitin territory, you seem to lack .. well .. any other knowledge.

One statement, and one statement alone can attest to the reason the Kitin attack:

"Fraught with fear and horror, their first reflex was to destroy the first giant insects they came across."

Gee, if little creatures suddenly popped into Earth and killed your family, wouldn't you want to seek them out? -_-

- N


Do you think it's that simple???? Do you think its just a matter of the fact that we killed some of theirs and now they want to kill all of us? If you do, then you underestimate the intellegence of the Kitin. No the reason why they are invading is because we keep invading their lands.

neiana
November 15th, 2004, 09:34 AM
Do you think it's that simple???? Do you think its just a matter of the fact that we killed some of theirs and now they want to kill all of us? If you do, then you underestimate the intellegence of the Kitin. No the reason why they are invading is because we keep invading their lands.


oh please, do the French hold guns to our head when we march through their cities to admire the Eiffel Tower?

Heck, even Russians walked around the USA during the Cold War, we didn't exactly run around killing them because they were not "our friends"

Maybe I should stay in RP here sorry:

I walked through the Matis lands today, and not a single one of them pointed a gun at my head, or a sword to my throat. I still don't like them, and they can feel of me as they choose - but I am still alive.

- N

neofuzz
November 15th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Apart from the majority of Kipee and Kizoar ALL other species of Kitin are hostile to hominkind, and once they sense you, they will attack you until either you or they be dead.

The armies of Kitin do not seek simply to guard their borders, nor is it their only goal to keep the races divided, by land and internal conflict.... They seek the destruction of all hominkind, they have attempted before and they will come again!

The Fyros accidentally unleashed the Kitin from the Prime Roots in their religous quest to seek out The Great Dragon. The Kitin's first reaction to their newfound access to the overlands was to attempt the genocide of all hominkind. Now that we are back, and growing in strength, it is certain the Kitin will strike again, in force. Mynias has conveyed tidings of imminent war, traitorous homins are trying to silence the watcher. War is upon us, though we know not where the next strike will come.

In this dark hour I stand united with my fellow homins, of all colour, race and creed. When you need my blade I will be beside you. Let the Kitin Hordes come, they will find us ready and waiting.

elfmatic
November 15th, 2004, 03:13 PM
Why couldn't the assassin have poisoned Raynes instead?

~Elf

gralen
November 15th, 2004, 03:46 PM
A small detachment of Zoran warriors did a full sweep of Atys immediately on the heels of the assasin's escape. Mournblade was not present anywhere in Atys, leaving speculation of possible Karavan association in the attack. This possibility could be bolstered by the conspicuous departure of some of the most loyal of the Karavan soldiers immediately following the collapse of Mynias. Perhaps once they witnessed the succesful attack, they determined that their mission was accomplished.

Be warned

It is very hard to say who backed Mournblade other than the Harbingers of Doom. The only things truly clear are that Mournblade was a male of Fyros or Matis decent and is bent on making sure that we do not come together in mutual defense.

As to whether the Kitins can be mollified as some seem to think, I do not see any reason to believe that is possible. The Kitins are Dragon bent on destroying hominkind, the only peace they offer is oblivion on the end of a stinger. The only hope we have is to stand united against this common foe.

If the survival of Fairhaven means accepting the aid of the Matis, would the Trykers rather die than call upon the arms of their old foe?

Would the Fyros rather see the great halls of Pyr ravaged than embrace the strength of Zoraļ Warriors standing at their gates?

Would any of the four races rather see death and destruction reign rather than set aside old hatreds in defense of their hard won homes? If so, then we, like our kin of three generations ago, will have to watch as the Kitin swarms roll from land to land crushing all who dare stand before them. If so, then Mournblade and the Harbingers of Doom are correct and we are doomed and Atys shall bleed.

I say that this needs not be! When the first scouts of an invading swarm are seen, a rallying call must be sent out to all homins and all homins must set aside every thing except the effort to repel the swarms. Mynias the Watcher has sworn to issue such a call but we must not rely on one homin alone for, as we saw, treachery can cut down a single messenger. When the time comes, take action, call for reinforcements from all lands and rally to the defense!

Let VIGILANCE be our watchword. Let UNITY be our guard. With these, VICTORY shall surely be our destiny!

vguerin
November 15th, 2004, 04:48 PM
It is very hard to say who backed Mournblade other than the Harbingers of Doom. The only things truly clear are that Mournblade was a male of Fyros or Matis decent and is bent on making sure that we do not come together in mutual defense.Your words are well said Gorran, but with the helmet he was wearing we still need not make assumptions. Karavan guards are also similar in stature to the Matis and Fyros and we also may not be the only inhabitants of Atys.

Surely if the treacherous Dragon was able to bring us all here, it is possible others are lurking out there waiting to be discovered by our adventurers. A warrior of these powers would not have been unseen by everyone by chance, we can be fairly sure there is a dead Matis soldier somewhere who no longers has armor and weapons.

Had he not cut down Mynias we might have been able to get some real information and not just words on the obvious advances of the Kitins. His efforts to bring unity ended too soon and then the politicians and the crowd showed why we still have distrust among the civilizations. We have helped folks from all nations travel in relative safely all thru Atys for these very things long before Mynias arrived, yet there was little aid on previous attacks.

Actions, not words will determine if we can begin to trust each other to render aid in times of need. It's the MIGHT of our guilds that has brought us to aid each other in the past and not the words of the politicians. Zzei, myself and only a couple others actually started the emmissary escort in Zorai and stayed thru till they were safely in Pyr. It was not words that made this possible, it was a Zzei's plan and then actions... the politicians talk much and take action rarely... A simple test of their messaging system will prove how limited it truly is.

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jdiegel
November 15th, 2004, 05:06 PM
I guess I need to level up my poison crafting some more.

dc77066
November 15th, 2004, 05:55 PM
The homins of Atys were called together and a prophecy was given of swarms of Kitin bringing destruction to all we know. The stories of the Great Swarm have been told to us since we were children. How just a few generations ago we were on the brink of extinction and how the Karavan and the Kami came to our rescue and drove the Kitin back. We came to settle upon new and fertile lands, far from the memories of destruction and loss.

The Watcher tells us that the Kitin are growing restless once again. Maybe we've forgotten the lessons of the past or grown accustomed to the scars on the land. Maybe its our pride, our arrogance and our bickering that kept us blind to this. I remember as a young homin that I gleemed with joy as I toppled yet another kipee. And now its kin invade our boundry lands without impedance.

The Watcher was attacked. Kami plot or not... Karavan plot or not... Only the would-be assassin knows. Maybe someone thinks that Atys would be better off without the hordes of homin devouring its resources. Maybe someone thinks they should have Atys to themselves. They are a threat but they are weak and hide in the shadows. The Kitin is the real threat to our survival.

After the chaos resided, several of the guilded in attendance sought to bring order and cooperation. Many of the veterns were eager to share their experiences and aide. One guild did grow tiresome of the proceedings and withdrew from the conference. Hopefully they will not do the same when the battle comes to them.

Some task items were agreed upon.

Item 1: Tell The People
Those in attendance were only a small percentage of the populace

Item 2: Get the Spawn Points
The current efforts to bring safe passage between the lands via
teleporter tickets must continue. It is currently to only way to
answer the call of duty in an effective manner.

Item 3: Warning System
When the Kitin are about to attack in force, it has been observed
that the fauna are sensitive to this. They scatter and hide from
sight. If this occurs one should fall back to the main city and call
for reinforcements. The defense of the Kami and Karavan spawn
points are vital to victory.

Item 4: Kill the Queen
Until a strategy can be developed or counter-attacks mounted to
supress the Kitin population we are left with one option to turn the
tide of battle. The Queen Kitin will need to be located and killed.
She is swift, ruthless, deadly and she is protected. Once the
queen is destroyed the Kitin will withdraw.

Some have proposed a War Council be made up of guild leaders from each race. Nominated representitves from each land. Some are against this, demanding equal representation. Others still hope that a natural leader will rise.

The Matis have already been attacked. Who will be next?
The Burning Desert seems too distant from the Roots and its Kitin population is small. The Kirosta patrols are infrequent. Pyr is a fortress and easy to defend.

Aeden Aqueous would be an inviting target. The Trykers could send Fairhaven adrift and wait out th onslaught. Their mats in short supply and their crafters crippled by this shortage, one would be hard press to find enough properly equipt warriors able to come to its defense.

Then there is Zora. The gem of Witherings jungle. Their proximity to the Prime Roots and dependance on the Kami's mystical ways also makes them a prime target. Several convoys have tried to make the Matis-Tryker-Zorai run and most have failed. Turned back with horrendous losses. If the Kitin are not mindless blood-thirsty creatures, Zora would be the first to fall.

If you can pick up a blade, cast a heal, mend armor or harvest mats, the homin of Atys call upon you now. This is not an opportunity for wealth or power. Its an opportunity for you to lay down your life for the greater good. Do nothing and we will all perish. Seek out on your own for fortune and glory and we will all perish. Allow the hostilities of the past taint your mind and we will all perish. Join together under the banner of Atys and hominkind and we shall be victorious.

raynes
November 15th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Then there is Zora. The gem of Witherings jungle. Their proximity to the Prime Roots and dependance on the Kami's mystical ways also makes them a prime target. Several convoys have tried to make the Matis-Tryker-Zorai run and most have failed. Turned back with horrendous losses. If the Kitin are not mindless blood-thirsty creatures, Zora would be the first to fall.

Your asuming the Kami won't protect us. And again.... why did they fail? Where did they fail? In the Prime Roots. The very place we were warned to stay out of. The home of the Kitin themselves. For generations we have traveled through the roots as if it were nothing. Have we spent any time developing ways to travel to other nations without entering the roots? No. Our foolish lack of planning and lack of hearing has caused this mess and it's our foolish run to weapons that will be our downfall.

raynes
November 15th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Why couldn't the assassin have poisoned Raynes instead?

~Elf


Because then I wouldn't be around to bother you, now would I?

gralen
November 15th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Some have proposed a War Council be made up of guild leaders from each race. Nominated representitves from each land. Some are against this, demanding equal representation. Others still hope that a natural leader will rise.

A War Council or any such thing is only so much vain hope at this point. Were there a way for us to take the war to the Kitins rather than merely mount a defense against invasion then I would back such a council.


Your asuming the Kami won't protect us.

They were unable to protect us the first time and they, like the Karavan, fell before the swarms. The Kami are powerful but their numbers are few in our lands. Their guidance will help us prepare but I cannot put blind faith in their ability to protect us.

it's our foolish run to weapons that will be our downfall.

What course would you propose? You seem to believe that we can somehow negotiate a peace with them. Have you seen their fierce attacks when even the placid Kipees will kill a homin or any other non-kitin on sight? You say we must learn why they are attacking when we know the reason already.

In their interminable quest for the Dragon, in 2481 Fyros miners uncovered a nest of kitins in the Prime Roots. Fraught with fear and horror, their first reflex was to destroy the first giant insects they came across. But alerted by the slaughter, legions of soldier kitins suddenly surged forth from underground galleries to eradicate what they considered as their natural enemy. Homin cities were decimated, entire populations perished, and the great civilizations crumbled in a matter of days.
Elias Tryton

Again I propose the question: How do you suggest we deal with the Kitin threat if weapons are but a fool's hope?

brackish
November 15th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Item 1: Tell The People
Those in attendance were only a small percentage of the populace


Thank you Rakujitsu for helping work on Item 1 by posting the information here. I hope that we can get to work on Item 2 as soon as possible, for the Kitin will not wait til we are ready.


Our foolish lack of planning and lack of hearing has caused this mess and it's our foolish run to weapons that will be our downfall.


Are you suggesting civil disobedience or volunteering as an ambassador to the Kitin?

madnak
November 15th, 2004, 08:24 PM
The kitin aren't people, they're insects. Even if they could be stopped for a while without violence, only their extermination will secure the safety of hominkind.

bmaze
November 15th, 2004, 08:54 PM
We have two separate issues here: getting organized for kitin invasions and the assassination attempt on Mynias by Mourneblade. The first one has already been discussed at length during the conference and Rakujitsu resumed it well.
Now the questions are: who are the harbingers of doom? Why trying to kill Mynias? Are they linked to Oba? But mostly: What's in it for them?
Why attempting to disrupt a conference whose purpose is common defense?
Could they be a group who managed to reach an understanding with the kitins?
Mournblade disappeared swiftly after his attempt. Stolen Karavan technology or again some form of support from the kitins?

This conference raised more problems than it solved.

gralen
November 15th, 2004, 09:27 PM
Stolen Karavan technology or again some form of support from the kitins?

Could just as easily have been a Kami teleport ticket. Although I do not subscribe to the idea that Mournblade was a Karavan - untrustworthy as I find them, Doubletap is correct that a Karavan guard in Matis armor could have been the attacker as well.

Regardless, I doubt that this is the last we'll see or hear of Mournblade or of the Harbingers.

jdiegel
November 15th, 2004, 10:00 PM
"We are doom and Atys shall bleed."

Two questions.

First, without the RP hat, is this a bad translation that should read "We are doomed" or is he purposely using "doom" as a noun. I just want to clarify that since it wouldn't be the first bad translation I've seen in this game.

Second, with the RP hat, why does this have to have anything to do directly with the kitin. Maybe Mournblade was attempting to protect us from something else...something more dangerous than even the kitin.

Edit:

Of course the second question does kind of depend on the answer to the first one. If I should read it as him referring to the Harbingers as Doom, then ok, they're probably trying to kill us. If he was referring to all of us inclusively as doom then maybe something we do will cause us irrevocable harm. Now, if he actually meant to say "doomed" then my second question works the way I intended it.

raynes
November 15th, 2004, 10:29 PM
We have two separate issues here: getting organized for kitin invasions and the assassination attempt on Mynias by Mourneblade. The first one has already been discussed at length during the conference and Rakujitsu resumed it well.

The only problem is that many people and guilds weren't there for the discussion. So that hasn't been discussed nor has it been resumed.

Now concerning what I suggest as opposed to weapons and fighting. First and foremost we must stop running through the roots as if it were nothing at all. As I said earlier what would happen if the Kitin ran through one of our capitals on a regular basis? I feel it's the same here. This does present another problem of how to reach other countries. Well if you look at the map there is land connecting each races homeland. WE must find a way to access that land. If that is not possible, then we must come up with a way to travel otherwise. If it be through magic, the trading of tickets, new inventions that let us either fly or swim, something.

Now if people are against the idea of staying out of the roots (as I suspect most are), then before you go running in to fight the kitin, you have to understand what they are, who they are, and what they do. From that gain a much better understanding of them. This can be done by tracking and observing them without interfering with them. Because as it stands right now all the homins ready to run in and fight are running in blindly. They are intellegent creatures and don't think they don't have the ability to anticipate exactly what is planned by us.

In short you will have no success beating and enemy you know nothing about.

215528
November 16th, 2004, 02:14 AM
I just want to point out that no one has hard from the dragon... We Fyro's only stumbled upon the kitin while looking for him, does anyone else make the connection between what the dragon wanted and what the kitin almost did? Does no one else belive that the lest explored area may well house a group of Homins that haven't shown themselves, Homins that work with the dragon? Has anyone considered the possiblity that the dragon is controling the Qeen Kipiee's and through her all of the kitin's?
The harbingers, may well be the example of homins getting along... only its homins with the dragon... The dragon's goals are the Kitin's goals, the actions of the harbingers only serve the kitin. We must explore the roots, we must find its secerts only there will we find a answer to tke kitin threat

neiana
November 16th, 2004, 02:25 AM
I just want to point out that no one has hard from the dragon... We Fyro's only stumbled upon the kitin while looking for him, does anyone else make the connection between what the dragon wanted and what the kitin almost did? Does no one else belive that the lest explored area may well house a group of Homins that haven't shown themselves, Homins that work with the dragon? Has anyone considered the possiblity that the dragon is controling the Qeen Kipiee's and through her all of the kitin's?
The harbingers, may well be the example of homins getting along... only its homins with the dragon... The dragon's goals are the Kitin's goals, the actions of the harbingers only serve the kitin. We must explore the roots, we must find its secerts only there will we find a answer to tke kitin threat

okay, first it seems you came to a pretty decent conclusion on your own, one that the lore actually supports.

Remember Elias? He supposedly saved a great many of us by taking us to a distant land, or whatever. We have not seen or heard from any of these homin since. The POSSIBILITY exists that Elias is an "illusion" of sorts of the presently sleeping "Great Dragon", and that - as mr numbers pointed out, could very well have a group of homins.

The "rescued" homins.

This is fully out of character, but it's just something to chew on.

- N

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 03:01 AM
I just want to point out that no one has hard from the dragon... We Fyro's only stumbled upon the kitin while looking for him, does anyone else make the connection between what the dragon wanted and what the kitin almost did? Does no one else belive that the lest explored area may well house a group of Homins that haven't shown themselves, Homins that work with the dragon? Has anyone considered the possiblity that the dragon is controling the Qeen Kipiee's and through her all of the kitin's?
The harbingers, may well be the example of homins getting along... only its homins with the dragon... The dragon's goals are the Kitin's goals, the actions of the harbingers only serve the kitin. We must explore the roots, we must find its secerts only there will we find a answer to tke kitin threat

Has anyone stopped to think that the dragon, might not be a dragon at all? Instead a spaceship of some type. I mean if you had never seen something that flies, looked up and saw something green with wings and fire comming out of it, isn't it possible that you would think it might be something like a dragon? What if the Karavan and Jena actually shot down the spaceship as they were chasing it. To prevent homins from finding out the truth they sealed off the roots and forbid anyone to explore it. If you look at the pictures someone took on the last page of this thread:
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3839&highlight=strange

There is definatly some sort of machine buried in the roots. And that machine has a propeller and seems to have some sort of propulsion device.

This is the theory that I put my money on.

jdiegel
November 16th, 2004, 03:25 AM
Beam me up Scotty.

neiana
November 16th, 2004, 05:23 AM
Has anyone stopped to think that the dragon, might not be a dragon at all? Instead a spaceship of some type. I mean if you had never seen something that flies, looked up and saw something green with wings and fire comming out of it, isn't it possible that you would think it might be something like a dragon? What if the Karavan and Jena actually shot down the spaceship as they were chasing it. To prevent homins from finding out the truth they sealed off the roots and forbid anyone to explore it. If you look at the pictures someone took on the last page of this thread:
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3839&highlight=strange

There is definatly some sort of machine buried in the roots. And that machine has a propeller and seems to have some sort of propulsion device.

This is the theory that I put my money on.


For the love of Jena, I've said it once and I will say it again:

THAT IS THE TRYKER WINDMILL! It is NOT, nor ever was a "propulsion device". If ANYTHING it was merely the Tryker technology to provide power while we were hiding in the roots! (first page pics)

As for the OTHER pictures, they look oh just a LITTLE bit like a natural tree formation or a temple :P

- N

jdiegel
November 16th, 2004, 06:49 AM
Forget my questions. The transcript answered them all.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 07:43 AM
For the love of Jena, I've said it once and I will say it again:

THAT IS THE TRYKER WINDMILL! It is NOT, nor ever was a "propulsion device". If ANYTHING it was merely the Tryker technology to provide power while we were hiding in the roots! (first page pics)

As for the OTHER pictures, they look oh just a LITTLE bit like a natural tree formation or a temple :P

- N

And what do you have to support the fact that it's the tryker windmill. What peice of information am I missing?

mikwana
November 16th, 2004, 04:04 PM
I have spent much time in that section of the roots as of late and it is neither a wind mill nor some sort of flying thing. It is, in fact, a very large cart. There are several of them lying in different amounts of disrepair as well as several smaller examples that are in a better condition. It is the large size that makes them look different, however, if you notice, they are still carved from the bark of Atys.

As for the Dragon, it is a myth, there is no such a thing. The kitin themselves are no more intelligent that the swarms of lightbugs which rise from the weeds at night, they are simply larger and more dangerous. The Kizoar, Kiban and Kipee are the harvesters, they collect from Atys just as we homins do, bringing the materials back that their hives may grow. The other Kitins that are more of a plague to us, they are the 'guards', they do not attack us for any reason other than that we have invaded their 'nest'. While some would think that means that we should simply back off and stay away, that is not acceptable, as they will continue to advance and their numbers grow, such that there will be no place left for us to run to.

The Kitin must be pushed back, either eradicated entirely, or contained and their numbers held in check.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 04:15 PM
I have spent much time in that section of the roots as of late and it is neither a wind mill nor some sort of flying thing. It is, in fact, a very large cart. There are several of them lying in different amounts of disrepair as well as several smaller examples that are in a better condition. It is the large size that makes them look different, however, if you notice, they are still carved from the bark of Atys.


If that is a cart, what in the world pushed or pulled it? It's huge. Can you take some screenshots of the other things and post them. I am curious to compare.

Also as far as I can tell from those screenshots, they are in the rock, not made of bark.

mikwana
November 16th, 2004, 04:38 PM
If that is a cart, what in the world pushed or pulled it? It's huge. Can you take some screenshots of the other things and post them. I am curious to compare.

Well, there are huge Mektoubs, or used to be, our new cities have only recently been established, and the meks that we have now are all still very young. Perhaps one day will will be able to build our cities atop the lumbering giants again.

(( Oh yeah, they can get big (http://www.ryzom.com/data/artwork/800/br-fa-fy-pa-2000-05-23_1.jpg) ))

I will do my best to get you some good drawings.

As for this 'rock'? what is it?

((OOC: There is no rock on Atys, or at least not that we have seen. It's all bark, the living skin of the tree. There is dirt and dust/sand as that is just the refuse of decaying matter, but there isn't actually any rock or metal (at least not like we know it, trace minerals abound...), if anyone want's to know more, start a thread. :) ))

archie
November 16th, 2004, 11:42 PM
I find it funny that Mynias doesn't see that fact that going into the Prime Roots has a direct connection with the Kitin advances. They attacked 50 years ago (thought it was 300???). He makes it a point that there were none in the new lands when we first appeared but have been increasing since. Did he also take into account that since we have settled into the new lands many homins have gone into the roots? Did he note that he had a large number of homins travel through the roots for this very meeting? I ask you if the Kitin marched through Pyr or Zora on a regular basis, wouldn't you send your armies out to fight the invaders? Well that is what the Kitin are doing. We are marching through their terroritory on a regular basis. They are responding.

Let me ask this question. How many kitin are there? How many invasions will happen? Do you honestly think there are more homins than Kitin? Do you think us homins can handle 10, 20, 30+ waves of 100's or 1000's of kitin one right after another? What is going to happen when we reach the point where there are so many homins dead that we can no longer hold them back any longer?

No simply preparing to fight the kitin is a foolish move. The end result is only the loss of many Homins lives and not the saving of our cities. We need to find out why they are invading our lands. I do not beleive it is becuase they are blood thursty creatures. If that were the case, then they would have came after us well before the Fryos disturbed them. They have intellegence. They communicate, they plan, they protect, and they attack. Creatures that advanced don't just kill for blood, no they kill and invade for a reason.

The key to stoping the invasions and the Kitin is to find out why they want to invade.
hmm, I don't speak kitin.
ill look you up when i need a translator

neiana
November 17th, 2004, 12:46 AM
And what do you have to support the fact that it's the tryker windmill. What peice of information am I missing?


The pics on the first page of that thread, that is a windmill. If you do not believe me, go to Trykerland and look at the windmills.

AS for the second page, it is most certainly not a propulsion device.

- N

vaquero1
November 17th, 2004, 01:44 AM
Agree its a windmill from trykerland....how it got there, from what i understand this is a living planet, it creates new layers. The deeper you dig the older stuff gets. So that is like something that was there a long time ago and that got covered up then the PR formed and it showed itself again. Like when a volcano erupts the ash covers the citys and makes it look like nothing was there then over time wind and water erode away at the ash and stuff starts to show up. Alien technology.....I dont think so......A big jet engine.....nope....a big fan for blowing hot air......no way.......A old city from back in the day......YEP Just my hummble opinion.

neiana
November 17th, 2004, 01:50 AM
Agree its a windmill from trykerland....how it got there, from what i understand this is a living planet, it creates new layers. The deeper you dig the older stuff gets. So that is like something that was there a long time ago and that got covered up then the PR formed and it showed itself again. Like when a volcano erupts the ash covers the citys and makes it look like nothing was there then over time wind and water erode away at the ash and stuff starts to show up. Alien technology.....I dont think so......A big jet engine.....nope....a big fan for blowing hot air......no way.......A old city from back in the day......YEP Just my hummble opinion.


Actually my personal idea is where it states in the lore that the homins hid in the roots. ;) So, these would be their encampments they had while the Kitin ravaged the surface.

- N

kahuna
November 17th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Remember Elias? He supposedly saved a great many of us by taking us to a distant land, or whatever. We have not seen or heard from any of these homin since. The POSSIBILITY exists that Elias is an "illusion" of sorts of the presently sleeping "Great Dragon", and that - as mr numbers pointed out, could very well have a group of homins.

The "rescued" homins.

it was my understanding that WE are those rescued homins... that we were led somewhere else for safety, and that we are now returning to Atys.

gralen
November 17th, 2004, 05:29 PM
it was my understanding that WE are those rescued homins... that we were led somewhere else for safety, and that we are now returning to Atys.

Not returning *to* Atys as we've never left but went to safe havens in the Prime Roots of far away lands (note that Atys is the planet and not the name of the lands we left). http://www.ryzom.com/?page=story_kitin Some also found refuge in the wilds. http://www.ryzom.com/?page=story_exodus

Some are the descendants of those who were rescued and some are descendant from those that wandered but none of us are among those originally rescued. Three generations have passed since the Great Swarming and the return of Homins to the surface of Atys in 2483 whereas the present time is 2520+. (http://ryzom.com/?page=update_archives )

vguerin
November 18th, 2004, 05:02 PM
Definately not a windmill nor a cart. If I had to guess they are spaceships of sorts. Jutting to the sky in the "Wastelands/Forbidden Depths" near the treehole entrance is almost certainly the forward end of a spaceship. Even to look and get a screenshot I fall victim to the Guardians inside often. Farther north in the Sunken City are what appears to be a few smaller ships crashed and there is additional wreckage in other locations.

This devistation may be part of the reason that there are no Karavan in the Prime Roots, their technology failed them.

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raynes
November 18th, 2004, 06:21 PM
Can someone post a pic of one of the tryker windmills, the ones above land?

lyrah68
November 19th, 2004, 06:44 AM
How do we reason out the thoughts of a beast that has no reasoning abilities? Kitins seem to kill, unlike gingos it is NOT from hunger, it is not from defense. There is some sinister other behind them, or at least behind their actions.

Yes my grand father was on that mining mission. He and the other elders had heard the rumors of new materials, plans for technologies that we can ONLY dream of, gold, silver, iron, YES, metal, there were other rumors, but no one believed them. Rumors stated the the VERY creators were still alive and down in the mines. ONE rumor WAS proven by our grandfathers, this planet IS hollow, one giant cavern, or system of them. And before my grandfather died of his wounds he voiced a theory, that if you dug deep enough, and followed the tunnels long enough, you would find that ALL of the tunnels connect to a HUGE underground cavern, with a city inhabited by "the creators".

If ONE of the rumors is true...can the others be THAT far fetched?

And who could be controling the kitins, it is clear that many of the different species of Kitin have different missions. I can understand their initial attack, they had been trapped by the landslide that the Elders moved, they were starving. But after that, I can't understand why they kill for pleasure it would seem, and kill without so much as TOUCHING the dead.

It is almost like they are looking for something, something the elders TOOK. That MUST be it. The Elders TOOK something from them, something that they are created to protect. Some artifact, some technology, some strange material, who knows what they took, but SOMETHING that the Kitins will NOT stop til they get it ALL back.

I am horrified to hear that a Homin is colaborating with the Kitins. The only thing I could think of is the other warning my grandfather wispered to my father. "Do not trust them, they are NOT what they seem. Do not Trust....them...my son *death gasp*".

Who was his warning us not to trust? The Karavan, no that was simple, we never trusted them. If they were truly our friends they would have FULLY shared ALL of their technology, but they are greedy and arrogant. They reserve their off land technologies in order to RULE and enslave us. This any Fyros with ears has tired of hearing before he wears dry pants.

The Kami? I can not believe this one, they have protected us and nurtured us for as long as Fyros history has been song much less written.

What Fyros hasn't heard the tales of Kami feeding our young during the kitin swarms? What Fyros hasn't heard the tales of their fearsome magic turning back the kitins when our ancient citidels came crashing to the ground and even the mightiest warrior and greatest sage magicians were powerless?

Could it be that our Elders uncovered a plot of some sort? Or some TRUTH about who the karavan and kitins truly are?

If so then I postulate that your leader found some small evidence of this truth, he might not fully understand what this truth is. But the "them" that we were warned NOT to trust is surely behind this act of treason.

No matter how much distrust might have been passed on to me, from my parents, from their parents and from their parents. We are at WAR, if we do not come together and act as ONE, we have NO hope of prevailing against the innumerable kitin hoards.

I can easily cast aside my ancestoral prejudism when I fight side by side with old enemies or those we only ever traded with but still held a fearful suspision against. The Actions of homin kind has spoken far louder than our ancestors ever could. We can and MUST rise above our elders baseless fears and superstitions.

I have heard all the silly superstitions that if you touch a zorai your hand will wither, and if you touch a Tryker you will become short, and if you touch a Matis you will become addle brained. We all know this is the stuff of fairy tales. The stuff your Granny tells you to keep you near the fires at night, and keep you from wandering off and getting hurt.

I truly believe we will find the truth when we find the person or beast that put your leader's assassin up to his act of terrorism. But I also think it would be worth our time to ask our Fyros leaders, elders, wise ones what was found during that "failed" mining mission.

My father spoke of seeing an odd shaped thing bound to his fathers packer, carefully covered with a large canvas. My grandfather spoke to his wife about the package, and the next time my father asked he was beaten. This was very odd behavior from her, she had never struck my father before. The beating worked, my father never spoke of it to anyone but myself, my brother and the shaman that was present at his death.

I think it is about time we found that shaman and asked her a few choice questions.

Plus I have to wonder about the rest of the story, the packer was found with strange burn marks on its back exactly where that odd item had been bound. There were also odd deaths in the magic guild for many many years after this, and all the dead were found with no hair, no teeth, the eyes were bloodshot and dry to the point of bleeding, their skin was red as if they had been out in the summer sun at noon without so much as a sunhat. But these magicians had not seen the light of day in weeks. None of the shaman or other healers could figure out what was causing this sickness. And the building at the center of town was declared cursed and taboo.

I think one of the excursions into the prime roots has sturred up something, something from our past, and surely it will reach into our future.

Find this link, find the ones responsible for this horrible treasonous act and you will find far more than you could immagine.

raynes
November 19th, 2004, 04:02 PM
How do we reason out the thoughts of a beast that has no reasoning abilities? Kitins seem to kill, unlike gingos it is NOT from hunger, it is not from defense. There is some sinister other behind them, or at least behind their actions.

If that is the case, then why have they not attacked our cities more often? If they were really just blood thirsty creatures that killed just for killing, then they would already be all over our lands. There is reasoning behind their attacks. They are not stupid creatures and thinking of them that wayl, no one will ever have success in beating them. One of the most important rules of fighting, never underestimate your enemy.

brackish
November 19th, 2004, 06:43 PM
Raynes, i have a feeling that times is coming closer and closer.