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splatula
November 16th, 2004, 03:13 AM
Sorry these are a little late, they took far more trouble than I'd thought. If anyone has anything to add, please let me know!
Thanks to Oroboroed, of the growing Fyros Guild "Joe's Hotdog & Bagpipe Emporium" for the screenies.
Please be advised as well, that Guild Melinoe was in no way against these talks, and that in fact many of our members and officers assisted in the trek around Atys in order that many delegates had the opportunity to attend. Unfortunately some members left the summit in frustration, too early to see what could be accomplished.

summit transcripts (http://wackyanne.tripod.com/ryzom/summit.htm)

WackyAnne
Guild Melinoe - Atys Harvesters (http://ryzom.twazz.net/index.php)

Shadowt
November 16th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Thanks, guys.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 07:26 AM
I just have to say that this is without a doubt the stupidest question I have ever read:

Hesperos: Are there any guilds that do not have representation on stage?

lol

On a side note, I can see that this meeting produced a lot of progress. We have some guilds and players that insist they speak for all of their race (even if no one said they should). We have people leaving in disgust because some make rules to appoint certain leaders. Upon their leaving they are called jerks. We have some who say they are the only link to diplomacy (still rolling my eyes at that one). All in all I think you guys have done a great job of showing exactly why this idea of everyone united won't work. Or at least it won't work the way some wish, with a few being the leaders and everyone being united under them.

Good job!

stormasp
November 16th, 2004, 07:45 AM
I just have to say that this is without a doubt the stupidest question I have ever read:

Hesperos: Are there any guilds that do not have representation on stage?

lol



raynes he was talking about the guilds that showed up, so the question wasn't stupid, you would know this if you went.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 07:53 AM
raynes he was talking about the guilds that showed up, so the question wasn't stupid, you would know this if you went.

Then he asked the wrong question. Even if you did attend the event and you thought it was great, you have to admit asking who isn't there was kind of a stupid question.

pandorae
November 16th, 2004, 09:32 AM
Yet again ... taking things out of context.

In light of the fact that all Zorans present (and not AFK) were dispatched to scan the planet for the assassin, I was the single remaining link to Zoran policy. Since every Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting", (possibly excepting Pilgrims?) none of the guild leaders had any problem with me standing as figurehead for Zorai. This was covered in multiple conversations that are not transcripted since they were held either in tells, teamspeak, or team chat.

In the future, if you plan on complaining ... try to ask some questions so that you might support your complaints.

Zoran forces sacrificed their physical presence at this meeting so that we might attempt to cut this particular assassin down before he caused more trouble. They were all still fully in contact with any new events (pretty much none) that came to bear as the meeting went on. Those Zorans present held quorum and decided that we will be a race of action rather than one of beauracracy. This will be the policy of the guilds present. I anticipate that there will be those outliers who would rather talk the day away than do something productive. So be it.

The strong shall lead in action.

aelvana
November 16th, 2004, 02:00 PM
He was asking about guilds having a representative on the stage, as opposed to down in front of it with everyone else...

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 02:40 PM
In light of the fact that all Zorans present (and not AFK) were dispatched to scan the planet for the assassin, I was the single remaining link to Zoran policy. Since every Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting", (possibly excepting Pilgrims?) none of the guild leaders had any problem with me standing as figurehead for Zorai.


First of all your statement of "Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting"" is completely incorrect. My guild sent a representive that could not complete the trip. We had intended to have repsentation at that meeting. I can assure you that if our representive were there, she would not of approved to you standing as anything for the entire Zoran population. We are a Zoran guild, you are not a member of our guild, as such you have no buisness speaking for our guild or the Zoran people. That is for us to do and us alone to do.


1) You are not, nor ever will be a figurehead for the Zorai population as a whole.
2) You are not, nor ever will be a speaker for the Zorai population as a whole.
3) You have no buisness making such statements. The Zorai are a free people. We have never elected a head of state, president, prime minister, or any other central authoritive figure. You are not the mother of the Zorai. You are not the Queen of the Zorai. So do not overstep you place in Zoran society as someone who is something they are not.

I would also like to remind you that there were guilds not there and there are players without guilds that were not there. Just because they were absent does not mean that they approve of you acting as a representive of them.

Now you will probably say "They weren't at the meeting so they need someone to speak for them". Well that is completly incorrect. Maybe the fact that some weren't at the meeting (or left the meeting) is the message they wish to send. Do you think that it's proper for you to say you are representing someone who wishes their very absence to be a message they don't want to be a part of that meeting?

This isn't the first time you have done this either. So for the last time DO NOT ACT LIKE YOU OR YOUR GUILD ARE A REPRESENTITIVE OF THE ZORAI POPULATION AS A WHOLE. It's wrong, it's out of line, and in no way, shape, or form in the least bit true.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 02:42 PM
He was asking about guilds having a representative on the stage, as opposed to down in front of it with everyone else...

Ok, that clears things up a bit. That wasn't really clear when reading it.

grandma
November 16th, 2004, 04:05 PM
following the summit i took the action i thought best and brought the summation of the meeting to matis as a messenger.

I do not believe in speaking on behalf of people whom do not wish third party representation...maybe it would be wise for members of other lands who attended the meeting to bring the discussion back home to their people.

just my two cents as to what i figured the best course of action could have been for those unable to make it. our meeting in matis went over very well and i feel that those who wanted to participate in the summit but were unable to were satisfied.

brackish
November 16th, 2004, 05:31 PM
Raynes,
If you could have had a representative there (I may open the floodgates with this one) What would your ideas on this unification have been? (besides your choice on having your ambassador to the Kitin be Henry David Thoreau)

Also, if your lands are invaded by the Kitin and your towns lie in ruin, would you not want us to come to your aid? Would you not come to our aid if we beckoned you? If you would, the what in the world do you actually have against what Pandorae said at that meeting other than the fact that she did the best she could to help represent the Zorai people.

It has been stated by you many times that you are upset that you could not have a representative there, we understand. Lets now move on.


I do not usually get this worked up or confrontational, it just sometimes you lash out and show a lot of negativity. We have come together to help move this game along. To have large groups of people with easy access to other areas in times of dire need is an asset.


(edit) BTW, Thank you Spatula for putting this together, very good job.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 06:48 PM
Raynes,
If you could have had a representative there (I may open the floodgates with this one) What would your ideas on this unification have been? (besides your choice on having your ambassador to the Kitin be Henry David Thoreau)

Also, if your lands are invaded by the Kitin and your towns lie in ruin, would you not want us to come to your aid? Would you not come to our aid if we beckoned you? If you would, the what in the world do you actually have against what Pandorae said at that meeting other than the fact that she did the best she could to help represent the Zorai people.

It has been stated by you many times that you are upset that you could not have a representative there, we understand. Lets now move on.



I don't like Pandorea, that is a well known fact. That is not why I make the point about one person being representive for all Zorai. My own guild leader, Auriga, if he all of a sudden said one day that he was speaking for all of the Zoraii I would lay into him the same way I have Pandorea.

You make the statement that she did the best should could to represent the Zorai people. Well no one asked her to do that. She has no business representing anyone or anything except herself and the guild she is in charge of. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with what she said, it matters that she that somehow feels it's ok to step up and act as some sort of official representive of everyone. She is not in my guild, she has no knowledge of what my guild is about, or what are goals and purpose are. She has no knowledge of any of my goals or my beliefs in the game. Therefore she has no place representing me or my guild.

Last time I checked me and my guild were part of the Zorai population. Last time I checked we serve just as much of a purpose to the game as her and her guild. Her statement that every guild of significance was at the meeting was a blatent slap in the face and disrespect for my guild. It demonstrated all to well that she doesn't have a clear understanding of what the Zorai population is made of or what they are thinking. It's not only the fact that she pretty much made the comment about significant guilds. It's that she didn't take the time to consider there might be situations where representives were sent but could not complete the journey. Instead she automatically assumed that if people weren't there then they didn't want to be a part of it, therefore it was ok to speak for everyone.

Grandma made and execellent point. She doesn't want to speak for everyone. especially those who don't want her to represent them. Instead she decided to take the discussion that happened at the meeting and bring it back for more discussion within her race. That isn't the case with certain players and guilds within the Zorai. They feel they have some sort of right to decide what all of Zorai does, no matter if others agree with them or not.

No one Zorai has the right to annouce they speak for all. And everytime someone makes that announcement they are way out of place.



As for your question concerning unification... This is my own opinion and in no way is the opinion of my guild.

I don't believe in unification. Why? Because none of the races are truely interested in such a thing. A prime example is the Fryos support of this meeting. The Fryos say a summit is being held, they did nothing in the way of offering protection to those going to the event. I'm not even talking about in the Roots either. How many Fryos guards met delegates at the borders to their lands? How many militray were assigned as security at the meeting? The Fryos did NOTHING to provide support for meeting concerning unification. So if the Fryos Governement isn't going to put some effort forth, then why should I?

Heck even internally with in the Zorai society. The basic atmosphere is one of you either join in and do as some want, or you are an outcast to be ignored. There is no talk of joing together as one. And of course some will say they have tired. Which is a stretch of the truth. The attempts that have been made so far aren't to treat all guilds and all citizens as equals. No, the attempts thus far have been of certain individuals and guilds appointing themselves powers to be, while smaller guilds are looked down upon and discounted. I can tell you right now from what I have heard, read, and observed if a meeting was held by Pan or some other guilds leaders my guild would not be given the chance to state our case nor would we be viewed as equals.

To prove my point even more I'll take a suggestion (and one that people seemed to agree upon) from that meeting. That was the suggestion of having meeting and a chat channel only for guild leaders and officiers. One or a few people made the point that was not fair because it left out non-guild players. That point was pretty much thrown aside and the idea of a exclusive meeting and chat channel was pushed forward. Is this Unity among all Homins? No it's more of "we decide what is going to happen and you go along with it or else". There was no concern for the players who are not in a guild. There was no concern for players who are in a guild but still want to observe and hear what is decided. The only concern was that a small group have the power to do as they want and make everyone go along with it.


You want Unity... then start acting like you want it. Until that time I want nothing to do with this so called Unity, that in fact is anything but that.


***And just so you know my opinion isn't because I won't be a part of those meeting and that chat channel. I am an officier in my guild as such I would be able to be a part of it.

elfmatic
November 16th, 2004, 07:16 PM
First of all your statement of "Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting"" is completely incorrect. My guild sent a representive that could not complete the trip.

I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you. :)

~Elf

brackish
November 16th, 2004, 08:03 PM
First let me say thanks for giving a somewhat civil reply.

How many Fryos guards met delegates at the borders to their lands? How many militray were assigned as security at the meeting? The Fryos did NOTHING to provide support for meeting concerning unification. So if the Fryos Governement isn't going to put some effort forth, then why should I?

I was one of the fortunate delegates from our guild to make it on the trip that Zzei provided. When we reached the first step of Fyros territory, we were greeted by what appeared to be 5-10 Fyros individuals that i did not see at the time we set out from Yrkanis. They then led us directly to Pyr and gave thanks to us for coming.


That was the suggestion of having meeting and a chat channel only for guild leaders and officiers. One or a few people made the point that was not fair because it left out non-guild players. That point was pretty much thrown aside and the idea of a exclusive meeting and chat channel was pushed forward.

I may be mistaken, but this would really be a development issue. To bring this up at this type of meeting was out of a roleplaying context and could actually not be relied upon as a element that would be implemented any time soon. The devs are working heavily on other aspects of the game and although i think they would bow to our wishes in this exception, i believe most of us were trying to find a player made way of uniting the forces of Atys.
However, if Mynias did say "You need to find a world chat for you all to speak on young Atysians!" I may just follow.

Also, i did leave after Rakujitsu listed off the 5 Items that were covered and i dont believe that was one of the ones we all came to a concensus on.
But I will review the transcript that Spatula has provided.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 08:06 PM
I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you. :)

~Elf

Thank you for demonstrating my point so well. I don't think I could of told you to write something better to prove my point. One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed.

raynes
November 16th, 2004, 08:07 PM
I may be mistaken, but this would really be a development issue. To bring this up at this type of meeting was out of a roleplaying context and could actually not be relied upon as a element that would be implemented any time soon. The devs are working heavily on other aspects of the game and although i think they would bow to our wishes in this exception, i believe most of us were trying to find a player made way of uniting the forces of Atys.
However, if Mynias did say "You need to find a world chat for you all to speak on young Atysians!" I may just follow.

Also, i did leave after Rakujitsu listed off the 5 Items that were covered and i dont believe that was one of the ones we all came to a concensus on.
But I will review the transcript that Spatula has provided.

It's the thought behind the comment that sends the message.

buzyb77
November 16th, 2004, 08:20 PM
I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you. :)

~Elf

Had we know that the Game developers would bring out thier GAINT NERF BAT
we would have made the trip pre-patch but i think we were having fun where were also some people have JOBS. you know the thing that makes money!!!

I will have to work 10 days stright over Thanksgiving for a min of 12 hours a day + my drive time...... that means 15 hours a day. that leaves me 9 hours to go to sleep get my meals ready for work and take care of my animals.


so let me see do i have 30+hours to try to get to another area........

i guess not

so Elf go find you little Bow and arrow play gauntlet and shoot the food you need for health and leave people who work for a living.. no Fast food jobs are not a living... and enjoy your high school years and if you are out of high school GROW_UP. That is the nicest thing anyone will ever say to you in the Real world!!!!!!!!!!

archie
November 16th, 2004, 11:30 PM
.....
raynes you droped on your head as a baby?...

raynes
November 17th, 2004, 12:15 AM
.....
raynes you droped on your head as a baby?...

What kind of question is that?

euwest
November 17th, 2004, 12:26 AM
the people that show up get to talk. those who don't wont have any say in the matters discussed. this is how it is in the real world as well raynes and buzzybwhatever. i had work during the meeting as well(yes, work on a sunday omg!). i don't agree with what was said there either but i wasn't there to voice my opinions so i lose.

working on thanksgiving, i wish i was you. i'm going to have to suffer through a night with relatives... *shiver* ;)

elfmatic
November 17th, 2004, 12:27 AM
Thank you for demonstrating my point so well. I don't think I could of told you to write something better to prove my point. One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed.

I said no such thing and your comment only goes to further prove that you're clinically insane.

~Elf

elfmatic
November 17th, 2004, 12:43 AM
Had we know that the Game developers would bring out thier GAINT NERF BAT
we would have made the trip pre-patch but i think we were having fun where were also some people have JOBS. you know the thing that makes money!!!

I will have to work 10 days stright over Thanksgiving for a min of 12 hours a day + my drive time...... that means 15 hours a day. that leaves me 9 hours to go to sleep get my meals ready for work and take care of my animals.


so let me see do i have 30+hours to try to get to another area........

i guess not

so Elf go find you little Bow and arrow play gauntlet and shoot the food you need for health and leave people who work for a living.. no Fast food jobs are not a living... and enjoy your high school years and if you are out of high school GROW_UP. That is the nicest thing anyone will ever say to you in the Real world!!!!!!!!!!

Wow... such anger.

I'm sorry to hear that you have to work on Thanksgiving. I had to give up a job like that because I didn't want to spend so much time away from my kids. I don't make as much money now, but I'm happier being at home.

As far as it taking 30+ hours to make it to another land... I think our record for crossing Bounty Beaches was 8 minutes, had something to do with the seasons I think. Saturday we had 3 or 4 wipes going from Zorai to Tryker... I think it took us maybe 2 hours... Mekos would know better.

I didn't make the meeting either because every Sunday my family drives across down to have dinner with my wife's family. I've only missed it a few times and didn't really feel like this event warranted it.

Honestly Buz you're jumping in the middle of something for no good reason. If you're a member of Raynes guild I apologize for insulting your guild (I don't recall which guild he's in, maybe I'll go look it up) the comment was purely aimed at Raynes and never would have been made if he didn't constantly instigate stuff. I know, a bigger man would just walk away, but from time to time I like to indulge in a little pettiness and toy with the emotions of the violently emotional. Especially those emotional beyond reason.

~Elf

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 12:45 AM
Raynes is my guild.

The insults are funny.

Edit: For the record, he's a incredibly helpfull guild member too.

raynes
November 17th, 2004, 08:42 AM
Honestly Buz you're jumping in the middle of something for no good reason. If you're a member of Raynes guild I apologize for insulting your guild (I don't recall which guild he's in, maybe I'll go look it up) the comment was purely aimed at Raynes and never would have been made if he didn't constantly instigate stuff.
~Elf

The funny thing about this responce elf is that you originally wrote that comment with the thought that I play alone in the game, that no one likes me, that the guild i am a part of must not be dedicated or even popular players. All of which are really way off base. See contrary to what you think, the entire game does not hate me.

I'd suggest the next time you decide to make a comment like you did, think about what you are saying before you say it.

zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 09:30 AM
As far as it taking 30+ hours to make it to another land... I think our record for crossing Bounty Beaches was 8 minutes, had something to do with the seasons I think. Saturday we had 3 or 4 wipes going from Zorai to Tryker... I think it took us maybe 2 hours... Mekos would know better.

Took 3 hours total, most spent in ToT due to kitin patrols, which is understandable fielding larger groups. BB was a breeze crossing if you take the long way and swing around to the southern outposts and up the east wall.

elfmatic
November 17th, 2004, 02:34 PM
The funny thing about this responce elf is that you originally wrote that comment with the thought that I play alone in the game, that no one likes me, that the guild i am a part of must not be dedicated or even popular players. All of which are really way off base. See contrary to what you think, the entire game does not hate me.

I'm so glad to hear that! So then, here's an idea, why don't you get all of these friends of yours together and make the trek through the other lands and stop pissing and moaning that you can't make it? I think they're holding a popularity contest in Matis next weekend, maybe you could enter? I'm afraid I won't be attending as I don't give a f*#$ about popularity and only care about playing with other people that don't create drama over every little issue like you do. And as far as being dedicated to the game, good for you. Personally I'm dedicated to my wife and kids and play this or any game for fun. Hating you is just my hobby and I can do that solo or in a group, doesn't matter much which. :)

I'd suggest the next time you decide to make a comment like you did, you learn to spell "response" correctly.

~Elf

brackish
November 17th, 2004, 03:22 PM
What was the name of this thread again? What topic are we actually discussing?
Was it that 15 homes burned down last year because of inept people attempting to fry their turkey for thanksgiving?

oh well.....

splatula
November 17th, 2004, 04:00 PM
Looks like we have some heated discussion here. ;)

Raynes: First off I understand what he is saying, even if he doesn't articulate it very well. He may very well speak a language other than English, so we should be nice when it comes time to explain what we meant when we wrote such and such, and try to read into what he's saying a little more. For Instance One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed. Now I'm not sure what this means. But I think what Raynes is trying to say is that people seem more interested in leading the entire world of Atys with their guilds than in working with other guilds.

Pandorae: She had some good ideas at the meeting, and role-played to the hilt. The only thing I had a problem with was the signifigance comment. It's not exactly diplomatic to say, everyone of signifiance is here. People take offence specifically to that one word. Basically you are saying that your guild is the viable Zoran guild. I imagine there are guilds in my hometown I haven't even seen yet. And while they may not have gained as much exp as you or I have so far, that doesn't mean they won't someday overtake us. The matter of being able to cross is a simple question of exp and grouping-up and has little to do with someones viability as a guild this early in the game.

The reason we've requested a guild officer chat is ease of use. Yes it's a dev question, but considering all the content they are adding and changing it is hardly unreasonable, expecially when you KNOW that Nevrax was watching the whole proceedings. The only other issue is that of targeting friends and guildmates while they are in another area of the map, this whole having to see people to find them sucks. Yelling marco polo is hardly a good way to navigate, or get noobs into a battle when they don't know the landscape.


As for representation, just because we have no real government right now, does not mean we cannot form one. There is a reason for organization, if every player had gone to the meeting it would be chaos, no one would have been heard. That is why there is such a thing as representation, so people who may not be leaders and people who cannot make it will be represented. As for those who don't care to be represented, who cares about them... if they don't want to play with us then they can go solo or in a non-associated guild. No one is forcing you to take part in the council, so if you don't like it, don't go. By the same token, those that represent shouldn't make blanket statements, and should only claim leadership over areas they have been explicitly given. Pretentious remarks like I am the only link for diplomacy don't help.

I think we can all agree that those that wish representation can and will be represented, if they need help to get to a meeting they should ASK. If you need an escort through our territories ASK. The meeting was a meeting of guilds, while the Fyroans hosted, nobody asked them for an escort (though there were some guilds that did help escort regardless). I would have been more than happy to meet you at the gates Raynes. You see in Fyros we don't have a government to handle organized things like guarding and escorting people, so it's up to individual guilds right now. Together we can be very powerful, like voltron. Each race has a specialty, and together they form... a powerful alliance. (bet you thought I was going to say a giant robot didn't you?) Those that don't want to ally can go around doing whatever they like, and we will all watch the Kitin invade and have a blast fighting them.


-Oroboroed
Fyroan Guildmaster
Joe's Hotdog n Bagpipe Emporium
(shared acct. with WackyAnne)

dc77066
November 17th, 2004, 04:26 PM
What was the name of this thread again? What topic are we actually discussing?
Was it that 15 homes burned down last year because of inept people attempting to fry their turkey for thanksgiving?

oh well.....

Yes, Frying turkeys is very dangerous. If given the choice 9 out of 10 turkeys prefer not to be fried.

Back to the subject at hand... The summit wasn't an end-all. Very little was agreed upon but for the obvious:

1. Kitins are going to attack, in large force, without negotiation, without prejudice.

2. The treks between the lands must continue so that anyone able to raise a weapon, cast a spell, craft or even harvest mats can be called to action.

3. The defense of our land can not be successful if its done by a small fraction of the populace no matter how large a single guild is. The unguilded and guilded alike, regardless of race or faction must be willing to come to the aide of each other and stand against a common enemy.

#2 is key to #3. Many have offered to aide in the security of the convoys. Several stand-out as proven convoy leaders. No one says you have to dedication 8-14 consecutive hours to a convoy. If the convoys are regular and their schedules communicated you simply need to get to the "next" land. With teleporter tickets you can zip back to your native land and zip to the last completed leg of the trek and aim for the next.

I, for one, am still without a Zorai ticket. Once I have one I will offer my blade and my life in its defense. I won't go as far as calling the blue people my brother or agree that their obsession with the Kami is healthy but I will not sit idle as the Kitin slaughter them.

Lets prepare for something other than a battle of wits. Lets prepare for something worth winning.

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 04:49 PM
One thing I will add is that I talked to one Zorai guild leader, in a slightly above current average size guild, who had no clue about the summit until I asked if they were sending somebody. I also talked to another guild leader of a smaller guild who had no clue it had taken place.

If Nevrax is going to continue to do things like this they need to work on their communication. Most players don't read the forums or, even if they do, not to the extent some of us do, and can miss some things that some of us tend to assume everybody knows. Being active in the forums shouldn't be a prerequisite to being involved in the game. Especially given the amount of crap one has to deal with and sift through in any MMORPG forum.

Yes, Nevrax did do a little MOTD thing a couple of time shortly before the meeting started but that's hardly enough notice for something of this nature. Plus, they do have that ingame mail system. I don't see why they don't automaticaly send a notice to all players after they have posted the event notification here.

raynes
November 17th, 2004, 04:59 PM
Sorry about the way I typed that. I'm at work when I post doing multiple things, so I sometimes get my wires crossed. I will try to be more careful.

When I said:
"One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed."

It should of said:
"On the one hand you preach how we all need to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that only some are needed".


You did get the idea of my post though and thank you for clarifying the points I was trying to make.

splatula
November 17th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Ah, it's a work thing. :)

Anyhow, should anyone ever need escort through Fyros they may add me to their contact list to announce their imminent arrival and I shall do my best to see you are all welcomed.

-Oroboroed
Fyroan Guildmaster
Joe's Hotdog n Bagpipe Emporium
(shared acct. with WackyAnne)

splatula
November 17th, 2004, 05:08 PM
-NOTICE PATCH!

I see kitins will probably follow.....

thexdane
November 17th, 2004, 06:35 PM
One thing I will add is that I talked to one Zorai guild leader, in a slightly above current average size guild, who had no clue about the summit until I asked if they were sending somebody. I also talked to another guild leader of a smaller guild who had no clue it had taken place.

If Nevrax is going to continue to do things like this they need to work on their communication. Most players don't read the forums or, even if they do, not to the extent some of us do, and can miss some things that some of us tend to assume everybody knows. Being active in the forums shouldn't be a prerequisite to being involved in the game. Especially given the amount of crap one has to deal with and sift through in any MMORPG forum.

Yes, Nevrax did do a little MOTD thing a couple of time shortly before the meeting started but that's hardly enough notice for something of this nature. Plus, they do have that ingame mail system. I don't see why they don't automaticaly send a notice to all players after they have posted the event notification here.


actually that's one way of adavincing the story and a few games and television shows have used message boards and the web to adavance stories. so for a game to use it as well, it's rather intuitive and forward thinking

mikwana
November 17th, 2004, 06:43 PM
actually that's one way of adavincing the story and a few games and television shows have used message boards and the web to adavance stories. so for a game to use it as well, it's rather intuitive and forward thinking

Granted, however, seeing as there is an in-game mail system, it would not be difficult to send a message to all the guild leaders or officers when a call for the guilds to meet goes out, or simply a weekly/as needed message gets delivered to everyone.

elfmatic
November 17th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Granted, however, seeing as there is an in-game mail system, it would not be difficult to send a message to all the guild leaders or officers when a call for the guilds to meet goes out, or simply a weekly/as needed message gets delivered to everyone.

Was this an official Nevvy event or a guild sponsored event?

An on screen indicator that you have mail would help a lot with trying to actually use that system.

~elf