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zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Mynias called for a pact between races and guilds to help each other out in the event of a kitin invasion. Not a council, not a government. An agreement.

All it comes down to is this:

If the Kitins attack another civilization, if you are able, will you come and lend your aid to the fight?

If you can answer yes to this question, super.

Will you help others in preparation for kitin invasions? (Assisting in gaining spawns/passes, helping out people with gear (not free gear of course), helping teach the younger generations the ways and lays of the land)

If you can answer yes to this as well, great.


When this meeting was called, I took up the cause to lead a trip from Zorai to Fyros. Many guilds and unguilded pledged their support to the cause. We did not need a council. We did not need a government. We did not need a comitee. And we accomplished it anyways.

So this I pledge;

If a land comes under invasion, I will do my best to attend and aid the beseiged lands.

I will do my best to help in the escorting for safe passage for those that need, as I am able.

I will help my fellow Atysian to the best of my abilities to further fight off the hordes.

~Zzei~
~Hand of Jena
~The guild of one
~The guild who serves all

gralen
November 17th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Mynias called for a pact between races and guilds to help each other out in the event of a kitin invasion. Not a council, not a government. An agreement.

....

So this I pledge;

If a land comes under invasion, I will do my best to attend and aid the beseiged lands.

I will do my best to help in the escorting for safe passage for those that need, as I am able.

I will help my fellow Atysian to the best of my abilities to further fight off the hordes.
I and Comitatus Praetorian do also so pledge.

basicart
November 17th, 2004, 04:47 PM
I live the pledge already

-Basic
-OmegaV

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Out of curiosity, how does the upcoming PvP patch factor in to all this? I ask not to belittle your pledge, just to ask what we are going to do when everybody has their tickets and no hordes are attacking.

If your answer is, "I'm not going to PvP." Then I guess you can ignore my question, but if it's not...

basicart
November 17th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Kill those that dont pledge i guess heh

-Basic
-OmegaV

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Kill those that dont pledge i guess heh

-Basic
-OmegaV

Well, then we are just defining more factions.

basicart
November 17th, 2004, 05:17 PM
In time for the guild wars...one day

-Basic
-OmegaV

zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 05:19 PM
In regards to PvP, I serve Atys and it's people. Killing them wouldn't quite fall in lines with that ey?

gralen
November 17th, 2004, 05:22 PM
Out of curiosity, how does the upcoming PvP patch factor in to all this? I ask not to belittle your pledge, just to ask what we are going to do when everybody has their tickets and no hordes are attacking.

The pledge has nothing to do with PvP really, just because I may cut down a homin in PvP battle does not mean that I now cannot protect other homins who may be of the same race or guild of the one I cut down.


If a land comes under invasion, I will do my best to attend and aid the beseiged lands.

The pledge is to protect the land specifically from being overrun by kitin so does not preclude PvP in any way.



I will do my best to help in the escorting for safe passage for those that need, as I am able.

Again does not preclude PvP.



I will help my fellow Atysian to the best of my abilities to further fight off the hordes.

This is the only item which might be construed to limit PvP but even then that would be a stretch as hordes would be understood to mean "non-homins attacking a homin city or stronghold."

Generally though, most homins don't engage one another unless provoked...at least not currently.

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 05:32 PM
I agree with Gorran that it's possible to mix the two, this has just been a concern of mine that, like it or not, PvP will be introduced and that needs to be factored into our decisions. I can seperate the too. Many people can. Many people can't.

This is one of the things that's bugging me about how Nevrax is introducing these different pieces of the game instead of having it all included at launch.

Mekos
November 17th, 2004, 06:24 PM
CP has been committed to helping others travel to other lands since the game began, continues that commitment today, and will remain committed to the that in the future. Zzei, you have our full support in your efforts to make Atys a friendly, supportive place for all homins.

zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Irregardless of who hates who and when, I can, and will, help those who I can when it comes to the kitin. That is what I am pledging. I am not asking anyone to pledge it as well. Just letting Atys know they have someone they can call upon when they are in need of assistance against the kitin, irregardless of whom they follow, or what civilization they are from.

I am abstain from politics, they create un-equalities, and argue over common sense with the nit-picking of language, wasting time and effort that could be best applied elsewhere.

zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 06:47 PM
And I would like to thank CP for their willingness to step aside from any political bickering to make this pledge. I am glad I am not alone.

jdiegel
November 17th, 2004, 08:12 PM
Ok, Zzeii, let me just say I have no issues with assisting you or CP in repelling a Kitin invasion, game mechanics permitting. PvP probaly wasn't the best example of a mechanic to use in this discussion. So, that said, I throw out the following hypothetical scenario to show what my line of thinking is, then I will let this thread be.

Scenario: CP has aquired a Tribe X stronghold. Being high in Tribe X fame, Tribe X has left CP with a detachment of guards to help them defend the stronghold against invasion. Zzeii has sworn a pledge to help defend CP's stronghold against Kitin invasion. However, Zzeii's civilaztion fame in Tribe X is so low that, inspite of Zzeii's best efforts, limitations in the fame system prevent Zzeii from counteracting civilization fame to the point where Tribe X's guards do not attack on sight. So now, the only way Zzeii can help defend CP's stronghold is by killing off all of the NPC guards there that were left to defend it in the first place.

Like I said, that scenario is hypothetical and game mechanics may never evolve to a point where that becomes an issue, however, these are the types of scenarios that run through my mind when I see discussions like this.

zzeii
November 17th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Thats what ranged weapons are for =D 50m range on them launcher babee!

Honestly, I wouldn't have to fight near the gaurds, taking pot shots with ranged weapons is something I'm working on currently.

And to quote me:

If a land comes under invasion, I will do my best to attend and aid the beseiged lands

I will do my best, if it means getting killed more often because I can not take refuge in the outpost, then so be it. It is a risk I will take in preventing the kitin from taking homin help establishments.

neofuzz
November 18th, 2004, 06:12 AM
So this I pledge;

If a land comes under invasion, I will do my best to attend and aid the beseiged lands.

I will do my best to help in the escorting for safe passage for those that need, as I am able.

I will help my fellow Atysian to the best of my abilities to further fight off the hordes.

~Zzei~
~Hand of Jena
~The guild of one
~The guild who serves all

Yeah me too, but only if the nation I save from the hordes provides free beer and dancing girls for the party afterwards.

gralen
November 18th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Ok, Zzeii, let me just say I have no issues with assisting you or CP in repelling a Kitin invasion, game mechanics permitting. PvP probaly wasn't the best example of a mechanic to use in this discussion. So, that said, I throw out the following hypothetical scenario to show what my line of thinking is, then I will let this thread be.

Scenario: CP has aquired a Tribe X stronghold. Being high in Tribe X fame, Tribe X has left CP with a detachment of guards to help them defend the stronghold against invasion. Zzeii has sworn a pledge to help defend CP's stronghold against Kitin invasion. However, Zzeii's civilaztion fame in Tribe X is so low that, inspite of Zzeii's best efforts, limitations in the fame system prevent Zzeii from counteracting civilization fame to the point where Tribe X's guards do not attack on sight. So now, the only way Zzeii can help defend CP's stronghold is by killing off all of the NPC guards there that were left to defend it in the first place.

Like I said, that scenario is hypothetical and game mechanics may never evolve to a point where that becomes an issue, however, these are the types of scenarios that run through my mind when I see discussions like this.


My thoughts on this: The situation described above really falls more into the realm of a guild needing to protect its own either through internal strength or alliances.

That being said, should the arch-enemies of Comitatus Praetorian, the Guild of Intrepid Maniacal Poking Sticks, be under attack as you describe above and should they put out a general call to arms, yes CP would respond. The real question at that point would be whether the GIMPS want to accept the assistance of CP or not.

jdiegel
November 18th, 2004, 04:51 PM
More than likely, if CP and the GIMPS both have a stronghold, and one is being invaded by kitins, so is the other.

sk8rss
December 16th, 2004, 07:42 PM
I live the pledge already


As do I. I do, and will do what I can.

sk8rss
December 16th, 2004, 07:44 PM
CP has been committed to helping others travel to other lands since the game began, continues that commitment today, and will remain committed to the that in the future. Zzei, you have our full support in your efforts to make Atys a friendly, supportive place for all homins.

I'll have to take you up on that, I REALLY want to go to Pyr! :)