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amitst
November 21st, 2004, 07:22 AM
Kami 1 - Karavan 0

Comitatus Praetorian, Eye of Atys, Living Planet Defenders and several other guilds successfully rid zorai lands of the goo infected tribes....and additionally cleared prime roots of the AntiKami Cult members.

All this while the Matis and Tryker forces hung around in Bounty Beaches

The Kami win the day! Go Kami!

madnak
November 21st, 2004, 07:34 AM
We didn't "hang around." We died. Over and over again. There's a difference.

spajj
November 21st, 2004, 07:38 AM
3/4 of the time was swimming back...

if you saw who comes too... no big tryker guild helped at all (don't know if some exist)...

not much from matis and guild quit earlier... the 2 last run was full of n..b

but hey we were well beat...right...

vladish
November 21st, 2004, 07:44 AM
like my new title:) btw anyone know what you do with the goo meat?

Shadowt
November 21st, 2004, 07:54 AM
The goo meat that dropped can be exchanged at a special merchant. I believe he's already in the game, but I'm told he'll be purchasing it Monday.

yy48n19
November 21st, 2004, 08:25 AM
All this while the Matis and Tryker forces hung around in Bounty BeachesHehe. :D (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)No comment on that at the moment... read on, though. ;)


no big tryker guild helped at all (don't know if some exist)...
Light of Trykoth was hesitant to engage the so-called "threat" of the Cute "invasion" of Bounty Beach because we don't trust the Karavan. It is that simple. Not everyone is willing to risk life and limb as grunts in a battle against other sentient beings that we have been told were being manipulated by the mysterious "goo." So, our guild did not participate, as many did, in the aggressive slaughter of primitive homins. We did, however, defend our lands.

Some may have noticed an entourage of Trykers "hanging around" the entrance to Bounty Beach. We were there for a reason: to keep any Cute or Gibbai that attempted to reach Libery Lake from doing so. Many, many goo-maddened Gibbai and Cute were stopped from entering Liberty Lake by the only means possible--brute force.

Meanwhile, a few of our guild members who were able made the trip to the jungles of Zorai to aid in the offensive there, and that effort reached and stifled the cause of the problem. Our hunch that the Karavan were seeking to use homins in a shell game of their own design proved to be correct, since it appears that this anti-Kami cult (hey, ain't that the Karavan?) was behind the whole plot.

We are not a big guild by any stretch of the imagination, but we are united in our efforts and our ideology. I am certain that we were able to strengthen our Kami and Zorai contacts this day, and will continue in our endeavor to bring all Trykers once again to the old ways of the Kami.

vaquero1
November 21st, 2004, 08:43 AM
Pic's of the event.

The prime roots was all about killing antikamis and the Black Circle Mage leaders.

Good job all involved.

http://www.comitatuspraetorian.uni.cc/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5

neiana
November 21st, 2004, 10:05 AM
We are not a big guild by any stretch of the imagination, but we are united in our efforts and our ideology. I am certain that we were able to strengthen our Kami and Zorai contacts this day, and will continue in our endeavor to bring all Trykers once again to the old ways of the Kami.

Go Mellodi! :D

Now, had my dad not chosen such an inopportune time to flood our network with spam so as to fix someone elses computer, I would have been there on the Zorai side aiding the Kami and Zorai. I had to shut myself up and go for a bicycle ride so as not to be overly angered by this most untimely "urgent" business. :( :( :(

*is most proud of LoT* Way to stay the course, I wish I was there with you today. :(

- N

grandma
November 21st, 2004, 08:28 PM
here are some Karavan side pictures...our writeup is in a different thread.

http://ryzom.vx3lan.com/ryzom/images/gallery/index.php?nav=%3E2004%2011%2020%20Cutes%20Invade%2 0Bounty%20Beaches

thexdane
November 21st, 2004, 09:28 PM
Hehe. :D (http://www.ryzom.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)No comment on that at the moment... read on, though. ;)


Light of Trykoth was hesitant to engage the so-called "threat" of the Cute "invasion" of Bounty Beach because we don't trust the Karavan. It is that simple. Not everyone is willing to risk life and limb as grunts in a battle against other sentient beings that we have been told were being manipulated by the mysterious "goo." So, our guild did not participate, as many did, in the aggressive slaughter of primitive homins. We did, however, defend our lands.

Some may have noticed an entourage of Trykers "hanging around" the entrance to Bounty Beach. We were there for a reason: to keep any Cute or Gibbai that attempted to reach Libery Lake from doing so. Many, many goo-maddened Gibbai and Cute were stopped from entering Liberty Lake by the only means possible--brute force.

Meanwhile, a few of our guild members who were able made the trip to the jungles of Zorai to aid in the offensive there, and that effort reached and stifled the cause of the problem. Our hunch that the Karavan were seeking to use homins in a shell game of their own design proved to be correct, since it appears that this anti-Kami cult (hey, ain't that the Karavan?) was behind the whole plot.

We are not a big guild by any stretch of the imagination, but we are united in our efforts and our ideology. I am certain that we were able to strengthen our Kami and Zorai contacts this day, and will continue in our endeavor to bring all Trykers once again to the old ways of the Kami.


so instead of helping everyone you'd rather serve your own selfish means

also i'm guessing you've heard the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

those beings would attack anyone on site, no matter if they are kami or karavan, so therefore they are your enemy no matter what you think of the karavan.

also i didn't notice ANY large tryker group anywhere, i think i could count the amount of tryker through the whole day on one hand with a couple fingers left over.

so no you didn't contribute anything to the defense of anything. even the defense of your own homeland, i'd say you guild is a bunch of traitors to the tryker themselves, no matter what their alliance was.

the tryker that DID participate were Zzei, Pirategirl and Apoling (sorry name might be mispelt) and a couple other tryker but NO light of trykoth. none were even present at the enterance of bounty beach.

i would like to thank ZZei for her help in event yesterday she was a great leader and tactian as always.

gralen
November 21st, 2004, 09:33 PM
A narrative account of what happened in the Witherings:
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?p=70512#post70512

overide1
November 21st, 2004, 09:40 PM
the Waverton Brawlers of tryker also participated in the attempt to reclaim Bounty Beaches. unfortunatly quite a few of our stronger players were offline at the time.

personally i have no strong allegiance to either the kami or the karavan but i will protect my homeland and come to the aid of those who are in need.

i thank all those who participated in the Bounty Beaches raid. it was a valliant effort.

tinpony
November 21st, 2004, 10:23 PM
those beings would attack anyone on site, no matter if they are kami or karavan, so therefore they are your enemy no matter what you think of the karavan.

On out of character comment here, but chosing sides in the raid is indeed *chosing* sides in the kami vs karavan. The final enemies of Antikamis garnered roughly +1/-1 kami/karavan fame *each* kill. I and many others who completed the event are in the red -100 fame with Karavan, and lost fame with a bunch of tribes (and have the corresponding gains on the Kami side). My Fyros fame went through the roof, as did Zorai. I don't know if this translates to kill on sight status with those tribes, but the line in the sand has been drawn for many. There was discussion that if the raid had continued past the kami ending, would we go help the Tryker. I regret that I would have said no, because of the final fame portion.

That being said, the initial waves of corrupted creatures did not affect fame (I think) but any in depth involvement in the raid would. I was not on the Tryker side, and can't make any further comment, but the impact of this raid goes beyond the events of the battle; it appears to set the stage for the storyline.

Tin.

gralen
November 21st, 2004, 10:56 PM
so instead of helping everyone you'd rather serve your own selfish means

also i'm guessing you've heard the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


As to the controvesy over the actions of Light of Trykoth or those Trykers who came to the aid of the Kami or even those homins who did nothing to assist either side preferring to remain neutral: all Homins who were present to hear the calls to arms had to make a choice and each Homin will have to deal with the repercussions of the choice made.

The decision to fight was not even a clear cut one: For some it was a matter of defense of their homelands, for others it was a matter of Kami or Karavan loyalty, it may have been a combination of both and yet others may simply have been swept up in the heat of the moment. Regardless, the decision was the one that best served the needs of the fighters at that time.

The decision to not fight also is not a simple one. Some feel that taking sides is beneath them, some were faint of heart and dared not support one faction over the other, others believe that strict neutrality is the best course and yet others simply were unable, for whatever reason, to help. Again, the decision was the one that best served the needs of those homins at the time.

The full impact of any decision made can not be known until long after the decision was made, if ever. I fought for the Kami to show my loyalty and I fought for the defense of my homeland to preserve my homeland. Can these not also be said to be selfish decisions because my decision served my own interests just as those who chose to not fight served their own interests?

thexdane
November 25th, 2004, 01:14 AM
The full impact of any decision made can not be known until long after the decision was made, if ever. I fought for the Kami to show my loyalty and I fought for the defense of my homeland to preserve my homeland. Can these not also be said to be selfish decisions because my decision served my own interests just as those who chose to not fight served their own interests?


yes and no they are selfish reasons. i for one was glad to help the karavan and the tryker.

the thing is if you were stranded in tryker or matis would you help out the karavan knowing full well the same enemy is attacking your land?

if some tryker wanted to go help the kami that's fine but they better remember that a large group of MATIS saved their land with not even asking for anything in return except for the heck of it. i have no quams with the ones that helped the kami.

as for me personally if i was in zora i would have helped the kami, although we are a karavan aligned guild. it is simply because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

war is not clear cut but there are things you must forgoe.

i've heard tale of a far off world where there was a civil war in a country called chin however when a country called nippon invaded them BOTH sides stopped their war and joined forces against the nippon invaders. if enemies like that can forgoe their differences to fight a common enemy why can't we?

(ooc that is true during ww2 mao tse-tung and the chinese red army were revolting, when the japanese invaded the joined with the gov forces to fight the japanese)

gralen
November 25th, 2004, 04:15 PM
as for me personally if i was in zora i would have helped the kami, although we are a karavan aligned guild. it is simply because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


Interesting as in this case the Karavan and their allies (Antikami and Black Circle tribes) were the enemies of the Zoraļ and Fyros. So in helping the Kami forces you would have become the enemy of your friends. I am now sporting a -100 global Karavan fame due to my desire to support the Kami; which, while that is fine for a Kami loyal Zoraļ, may have some very undesirable consequences for a Karavan loyal Homin.

As you say, war is not clear cut.

vaquero1
November 25th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Dang man ive already got matis saying my title "Free" and it was givin to me. That the event was set up for kami to win and the karavan had no chance. WHATEVER.


Pretty sad...